Tory Scum Rebels

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And? If that ended up translating to a wonderful place to live - clean with excellent public services - I wouldn't mind. Rather than the same mess just paying more for it

The NHS budget for 2022/2023 is £153bn - you could double that and it would still be tulip! Money won't fix our public services - we need a shake up!

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The NHS budget for 2022/2023 is £153bn - you could double that and it would still be tulip! Money won't fix our public services - we need a shake up!

Correct, as soon as we can get rid of the problems at the top, that will be a good shake up. The right wing of this country have lorded it, stripped out all the great bits that they could make money off, re-distributed services to their mates and privatised everything they can get their hands on. As soon as we can get a party that is closer to the centre, rather than the decline we've had in standards, morals & society, the better.
Bring on a general election, and vote for people who care for the UK, not who care for their own bank balances.

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Bring on a general election, and vote for people who care for the UK, not who care for their own bank balances.

I'm quite amused that you still believe you can vote in a govt, from LibLabCon that will improve things for the better for the majority of people.

[WTFH]

I'm quite amused that you still believe you can vote in a govt, from LibLabCon that will improve things for the better for the majority of people.

I'm just looking for a change that isn't lurching further to the right.
Continuing to vote for the Tories is not going to change anything. Voting for the National Farage, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, etc is not going to be any better, IMHO. But there are posters on here who act like the solution is to keep turning right and lose all the values that once made Britain great.

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What happened to the Liberal Democrats, they seem to have fallen into an abyss? We are now like the USA, effectively a two party political system.

[malvolio]

I'm just looking for a change that isn't lurching further to the right.
Continuing to vote for the Tories is not going to change anything. Voting for the National Farage, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, etc is not going to be any better, IMHO. But there are posters on here who act like the solution is to keep turning right and lose all the values that once made Britain great.

Sunak's recent policies were very left of centre, so a shift to the right is possibly a good idea. The trick is to stop when you get to the middle.

[d000hg]

The NHS budget for 2022/2023 is £153bn - you could double that and it would still be tulip! Money won't fix our public services - we need a shake up!

Shaking things is well known for fixing them
The problem with something like the NHS is how you can possibly reform it without disrupting it worse in the meantime.
£150bn is about £2000 per person per year though I don't have any idea if that's a lot compared to private healthcare.

[d000hg]

Sunak's recent policies were very left of centre

Definitely not. He's a classic right-centrist. Recent policies are hardly representative.

[vetran]

I'm just looking for a change that isn't lurching further to the right.
Continuing to vote for the Tories is not going to change anything. Voting for the National Farage, Stephen Yaxley-Lennon, etc is not going to be any better, IMHO. But there are posters on here who act like the solution is to keep turning right and lose all the values that once made Britain great.

What made Britain great was annexing countries, engineering the world, thrashing Napoleon, the Germans, the french etc and ruling the waves after giving the Spanish a bloody nose.

Having squandered that lead and a few of the options no longer being politically viable we do need a rethink.

Uncontrolled immigration doesn't seem to be working.
Ignoring the lessons of history when composing the lessons of today doesn't work.
Failing to compare our Police, NHS etc to other countries and learning from the gaps is not happening.
Kow towing to unions won't work.

If you think that is going right wing you are mistaken. Labour were so unelectable Bojo looked like a good option.

[jamesbrown]

Sunak's recent policies were very left of centre, so a shift to the right is possibly a good idea. The trick is to stop when you get to the middle.

I'm not a fan, but it's hard to judge Sunak by his recent policies, which were largely forced by covid. Admittedly, the tax rises were a bit stupid/unnecessary (other economies were not raising taxes into a recession). He professed fairly right wing views before his time in the Treasury (and again in the leadership campaign), so it's more likely that he's just irritated people as being a bland centrist when governing. But you can't really describe Sunak (or his policies) as left of centre. He takes a different right-of-centre view to the free marketeers, he's more of a fiscal conservative, but he's still right of centre.