Surrey speeds

[Dark Black]

All this virtue signalling about speed limits.....

We "could" just train drivers properly and increase their skills and awareness.

Let's not forget here, speed in itself does not kill. Yes, it may be a factor in the outcome of an accident but generally (mechanical failure aside), it is bad driving (be it down to ability, lack of hazard awareness / concentration / the inappropriate use of speed etc) that generally cause's accidents NOT speed alone.

The lack of driving standards these days is shocking. You may disagree but it's long been my belief that modern cars tend to "disconnect" the driver too much from the road to the extent that most cars these days seem to have as much involvement with driving as a PlayStation (actually a PS probably gives more feedback). I'm convinced this causes many drivers to be detached from the fact that they are "in control" of a large (increasingly heavy) metal projectile.

Stupidly low blanket speed limits will never be the answer.

[Paddy]

All this virtue signalling about speed limits.....

We "could" just train drivers properly and increase their skills and awareness.

Let's not forget here, speed in itself does not kill. Yes, it may be a factor in the outcome of an accident but generally (mechanical failure aside), it is bad driving (be it down to ability, lack of hazard awareness / concentration / the inappropriate use of speed etc) that generally cause's accidents NOT speed alone.

The lack of driving standards these days is shocking. You may disagree but it's long been my belief that modern cars tend to "disconnect" the driver too much from the road to the extent that most cars these days seem to have as much involvement with driving as a PlayStation (actually a PS probably gives more feedback). I'm convinced this causes many drivers to be detached from the fact that they are "in control" of a large (increasingly heavy) metal projectile.

Stupidly low blanket speed limits will never be the answer.

This is 100% correct. As the old saying goes, fit a spike to the steering wheel and drivers will be a lot more careful

[tazdevil]

Stupidly low blanket speed limits will never be the answer.

Agree, I find it dangerous driving along behind either a slowster or in a 20mph limit trying not to hit the car in front and therefore not keeping an eye out for other dangers. Long 40mph restrictions on 3 lane motorways for roadworks are also attention sapping

[Whorty]

It will be interesting to see if they enforce the 20mph for all vehicles (including the pedal powered ones). I used to drive some of those lanes at around 30mph - where I knew I could safely stop - but there would be cyclists doing 40+ With their heads down over the handlebar. They hit a fallen branch, a puddle, or anything like that, and they are off in a big way.

Unless it's a steep downhill (4-5% +), it's fairly straight and on decent tarmac I'd find it hard to believe cyclists are doing 40mph. And even then only a few fast guys would be hitting those speeds. But feel free to prove me wrong by posting up the street and I'll take a look at the fast times on Strava.

[vetran]

The roads in and out of our village are effectively single track and have a natural speed limit. So 60 might be legal but that'd be a quick way to a smashed car or worse. In effect the speed limits are meaningless in such situations and the people who push their luck would probably ignore silly low limits anyway. The speed limit is simply the speed you can go at whilst being able to stop in the distance you can see allowing for oncoming hooligans blasting around blind bends

The facts disagree with you, most people crashing tend to be young and inexperienced so that suggests lower limits may help. They might at least wonder why its 20 not try to attain 60. Of course speed cameras combined with limits would knock the youngsters out quicker because new drivers have a lower bar to disqualification.

[vetran]

Unless it's a steep downhill (4-5% +), it's fairly straight and on decent tarmac I'd find it hard to believe cyclists are doing 40mph. And even then only a few fast guys would be hitting those speeds. But feel free to prove me wrong by posting up the street and I'll take a look at the fast times on Strava.

I have done 25MPH+ downhill a few times, and I'm hardly Bradley Wiggins. A long fall a clear road and its easy to get over 20mph, also as people can achieve those speeds they will try. Its fair to wonder if other than cars will exceed a 20mph limit . Electric bikes and scooters have been clocked at well over 25.

[vetran]

Agree, I find it dangerous driving along behind either a slowster or in a 20mph limit trying not to hit the car in front and therefore not keeping an eye out for other dangers. Long 40mph restrictions on 3 lane motorways for roadworks are also attention sapping

Emergency speed limit 30mph on the M1 the other week even in the inside lane I was picking white vans and feckwit German car drivers out of my crack. Plenty of people doing 70+

[Whorty]

I have done 25MPH+ downhill a few times, and I'm hardly Bradley Wiggins. A long fall a clear road and its easy to get over 20mph, also as people can achieve those speeds they will try. Its fair to wonder if other than cars will exceed a 20mph limit . Electric bikes and scooters have been clocked at well over 25.

25mph when cycling is so different to 40mph .... I cruise easily at 20mph on the flat. On a slight gradient down it's easy to hit 25 mph ... but to hit 40mph you need at least 4-5% down gradient and a long enough stretch of road to get to that speed.

Electric bike are limited to 25kph/15.5mph at which point the electric assistance cuts out, so I'm sorry fella but your claim that electric bikes have been clocked at pver 25mph is nothing to do with them being electric bikes. Scooters equally have limiters so unless someone dcotors the setup, then then equally won't be going at 25mph.

I just love the rubbish that people who don't cycle claim about cyclists

[DoctorStrangelove]

If you live in rural Surrey you might be driving a bit slower soon. Better get the butler trained with a red flag to walk in front of ones vehicle

Lucky luck bastards:

https://www.rac.co.uk/drive/news/dri...d%20to%2020mph.

"A world first" apparently.

I've given up driving.

For two years there was no point in owning a car since there was nowhere to fecking go.

[Whorty]

I know you guys like facts, so here is a local road. Average 4% downhill. Decent road surface, quite straight, can really blast it if you like (I don't personally but I value my life). I have a mid average speed of 24mph. The fastest time is only 44 mph, and the next fastest times are 42 mph.

This shows that it's really not that easy for cyclist to hit 40 mph and on flat roads it doesn't happen unless you're a pro in the peloton or a chain gang