[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[AtW]

Not false information in Russia now is what they call "official" information, which everybody knows is lies, so in effect Russia is the first country to explicitly give very high (up to 15 years) sentences to people who'll say the truth.

Where is our Mor On to defend freedom of speech?

[SueEllen]

Hearing that our Home Office is being complete and utter useless f***ing ******* in allowing refugee relatives of people in the UK in.

[ladymuck]

Hearing that our Home Office is being complete and utter useless f***ing ******* in allowing refugee relatives of people in the UK in.

OwHoot will be happy about that

[d000hg]

That is not just the playbook or evil dictator's like Putin and Stalin.

This is also the playbook of west governments like our very own, use false propaganda and brainwashing when they need to justify doing evil things e.g. invading Iraq, "Iraq has WMD and could hit the UK in 45 minutes"..

Not everyone fell for these lies, i certainly didn't, but enough people in the UK did.

The western media were not banned from reporting alternative positions or forced to issue government reports as established fact, so no it's not the same at all.
And there is a big difference between a government setting out to deceive the population and a government who themselves have false information and act on it.

[SueEllen]

Oh the group formerly known as the Conservative Friends of Russia is no more.....

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...group-disbands

The Ukraine crisis has claimed another victim. The Westminster Russia Forum – previously called the Conservative Friends of Russia – has just announced it will be winding up its lobbying operation here in London. As recently as last week, the group were reported to be going ahead with a 'multilateral relations conference', scheduled for tomorrow. But now, following a wave of cancellations, boycotts and sanctions across London and the rest of the western world, the WRF has announced it will close.

In a statement to his supporters on Tuesday, chairman Nicholas Cobb announced his resignation and that of the entire board. He said that his group had aimed 'to promote the equitable, neutral and positive ties between the peoples of the United Kingdom, Russian Federation and wider European area' but that 'whilst we have had notable successes, the ultimate goal that we have pursued has failed and as such we are, with immediate effect disbanding the Westminster Russia Forum.'

Cobb, who runs an energy communications firm focused on Russia and former Soviet republics, took the opportunity to condemn the 'unwarranted and baseless attacks' which he claimed his group had been subjected to – 'usually undertaken by faceless trolls.' However in light of the 'unwarranted, barbaric and unjustified invasion of sovereign Ukraine' the WRF feels it has no alternative, adding that 'we support the people of Ukraine and continue to stand with the people of Russia – this war is not in their name and we will continue to support them in their time of need.'

The group’s British organisers had often previously appear on the Russian state broadcaster, RT. It has links with a number of Conservative MPs and other senior UK political figures, hosting events with Tory parliamentarians such as Daniel Kawczynski, Caroline Nokes, John Redwood and John Whittingdale, as well as Labour’s former foreign secretary Jack Straw. Event attendees have included Carrie Johnson, the Prime Minister’s wife.

[AtW]

Cobb, who runs an energy communications firm focused on Russia and former Soviet republics, took the opportunity to condemn the 'unwarranted and baseless attacks' which he claimed his group had been subjected to – 'usually undertaken by faceless trolls.' However in light of the 'unwarranted, barbaric and unjustified invasion of sovereign Ukraine' the WRF feels it has no alternative, adding that 'we support the people of Ukraine and continue to stand with the people of Russia – this war is not in their name and we will continue to support them in their time of need.'

If that's true why didn't they create Conservative Friends of Ukraine lobbying group?

Oh we all know why - 'cuz they don't get paid handsomely to do it

[Eirikur]

Meanhwile also Corbyn's Stop The war continue to blame NATO and not Russia for everything

[OwlHoot]

Meanhwile also Corbyn's Stop The war continue to blame NATO and not Russia for everything

Although I could accurately be described as not exactly left wing, I think there's a lot of truth in that. The Yanks always have been absolutely useless and cloth eared in foreign policy.

What's more IMHO, they and the EU are compounding their stupid past errors now if they encourage or allow Ukraine or Finland and Sweden to join NATO, or Ukraine and any other countries not already in it the EU.

[SueEllen]

Although I could accurately be described as not exactly left wing, I think there's a lot of truth in that. The Yanks always have been absolutely useless and cloth eared in foreign policy.

What's more IMHO, they and the EU are compounding their stupid past errors now if they encourage or allow Ukraine or Finland and Sweden to join NATO, or Ukraine and any other countries not already in it the EU.

Finland and Sweden are members of the EU. If they like the Baltic states wish to join Nato it is up to them.

[WTFH]

The Russian parliament has voted to make a law, one of the most draconian since the collapse of the Soviet Union, which will see protesters imprisoned for TEN YEARS for the "crime" of "making too much noise" while protesting peacefully.






Oh did I say "Russian"? I meant "British".