[OFFICIAL] Ukraine Thread

[SueEllen]

A Russian friend has contacted me with the latest rumours.
1. The propaganda machine is talking about Ukraine having nuclear weapons, and there's a lot of talk about the effect of nuclear weapons. This could be seen to be preparing the Russian people for a "retaliatory" first strike. (And you though Blair was bad).
2. Putin is very ill with cancer. He's a man in a hurry.

I heard rumours that he had bowel cancer. However people can live a decade with bowel cancer, so exactly what stage is he at?

[SueEllen]

Russian terms for surrender


Ukraine must:

• Cease military action
• Change its constitution to enshrine neutrality
• Acknowledge Crimea as Russian territory
• Recognise the separatist republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as independent territories.

https://uk.yahoo.com/news/russia-say...121826715.html

Guerilla warfare by your population isn't military action.

[SueEllen]

Currently listening to the Home Secretary lying to MPs including Tory MPs about refugees.

Apparently all the MPs who have constituents writing to them about having relations/children they are responsible for stuck in France are lying.

[GJABS]

Ah, so "buffer countries" are perfectly at liberty to do what they want... as long as it doesn't cause a problem. In other words, they are still not at liberty.

They are free to provoke Putin as much as they like. But as long as the west has not been complicit in encouraging them (which we have), then we would have been free to wash our hands of them. I.e. no sanctions, and no threats from Putin to lob nukes at us.

[SueEllen]

They are free to provoke Putin as much as they like. But as long as the west has not been complicit in encouraging them (which we have), then we would have been free to wash our hands of them. I.e. no sanctions, and no threats from Putin to lob nukes at us.

What you mean like Georgia?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...russia-ukraine

It isn't the West who has encouraged them but Putin's actions.

[jamesbrown]

Buffer countries were perfectly at liberty to do what they want. NATO shouldn't have encouraged them in my opinion. Also, those Buffer countries will have some degree of geopolitical awareness; surely they must have had some inkling that Putin might not be happy with their westernisation.

Your very use of the word "buffer" implies that you reject their statehood and desire for self-determination. Rather, we should consider them to be a No Man's Land or DMZ between Russia and the West. Let's be clear that there is a a cigarette paper between your view of these states and Putin's view; he has used exactly this imagery to justify his invasion, that Ukraine is not a proper state, rather a "buffer", and should remain a good little neutral buffer. Again, pathetic.

[NotAllThere]

Great photos here:

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-03-...WiHzw73JYzOi-A

[WTFH]

Fraidycat, please stop polluting threads with fake videos.

At least it's showing your true colours.

[Fraidycat]

Fraidycat, please stop polluting threads with fake videos.

At least it's showing your true colours.

I moved to light relief right after i posted it, it was quite a funny parody video.

[WTFH]

I moved to light relief right after i posted it, it was quite a funny parody video.

Except it's not a "parody video" it's a climate change protest video that has been altered to become "evidence" that Putin is the saviour of the world and Ukraine is full of liars.