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    #21
    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    That's a rather extreme example. I'm sure you can find someone who left school with crap GCSE's and is earning that. Does that mean we don't go to further education?
    No. The point is successive governments have pushed degrees more than apprenticeships. They should be more balanced. Furthermore, you can do an apprenticeship and then go to university later - and being older you'll probably get more out of it.

    I think you are being a tad unfair on apprenticeships.
    I think apprenticeships are great. My beef is with UK government policy generally pushing degrees.

    Not sure why you think UK hasn't got apprenticeships going?
    I'm not sure why you think I think that! My aim here was not to say Swiss apprenticeships are great, UK ones are crap, rather that it's a shame that in the UK apprenticeships aren't as much seen as entirely viable alternatives to going direct to university.

    The government should be doing more to create more good quality apprenticeships.
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      #22
      Originally posted by jamesbrown View Post
      Agree, technical education is way better in many other countries, like NL and CH and DE. We have far too many dead-end degree courses at dead-end universities that cost the students and, ultimately, the tax payer far too much.
      Many degree's are effectively commoditised now. Employers look on an arts, philosophy, history etc degrees (even 1sts) from the "new" universities in the same way as employers a couple of decades ago would look at an O' Level in Art and Design.
      Last edited by Paralytic; 23 July 2021, 07:52.

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        #23
        Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
        No. The point is successive governments have pushed degrees more than apprenticeships. They should be more balanced. Furthermore, you can do an apprenticeship and then go to university later - and being older you'll probably get more out of it.
        I've seen people in the textiles, clothing industry and fashion do it the other way round.

        They get a degree, which will be from a newer university as those are the universities that have always specialised in those courses, then do an apprenticeship.




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          #24
          Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
          I think apprenticeships are great. My beef is with UK government policy generally pushing degrees.

          ...

          The government should be doing more to create more good quality apprenticeships.
          Agree however as I said a few posts back, there's quite a lot of changes coming through. It remains to be seen if they make a big change but my wife was quite excited at the idea of taking one on, as it ties in her ethos of training/equipping people.

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            #25
            Number of degree apprenticeships is growing rapidly. Even in financial sector now you can do apprenticeship and get a degree also. A friend's son is doing Data science apprenticeship with bloomberg. Even Goldman Sachs has started offering these. You get a free degree and work experience. What's not to like.
            Last edited by Andy2; 23 July 2021, 08:48.

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              #26
              Originally posted by Scorp1 View Post

              Agreed, a lot of the HNC and HND programmes were watered down to get people to take on degrees . Noticed a lot of that in the early 2000's
              Originally posted by One of my HNC lecturers from the 70s
              I can't teach the degree students the stuff I was teaching back in the 70s because they find it too hard
              Then again, comparing what we were taught in the 70s with the stuff from the 1950s, that was seriously hard.

              Then again, it was quite logical, Jim, for Maggie the Milk Snatcher to shut down all the industry training boards since her cunning plan was to totally feck up any remaining industry we might have had.

              Though it's taken 40 years for the last big factory I worked in to bite the dust.
              Last edited by DoctorStrangelove; 23 July 2021, 08:50.
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                #27
                Originally posted by Andy2 View Post
                Number of degree apprenticeships is growing rapidly. Even in financial sector now you can do apprenticeship and get a degree also. A friend's son is doing Data science apprenticeship with bloomberg. Even Goldman Sachs has started offering these. You get a free degree and work experience. What's not to like.
                what's not to like? You get tied employees at low wages and the fees are tax deductible.
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by DoctorStrangelove View Post



                  Then again, comparing what we were taught in the 70s with the stuff from the 1950s, that was seriously hard.

                  Then again, it was quite logical, Jim, for Maggie the Milk Snatcher to shut down all the industry training boards since her cunning plan was to totally feck up any remaining industry we might have had.

                  Though it's taken 40 years for the last big factory I worked in to bite the dust.
                  Imagine the millennials studying electronics via H&H now.
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by vetran View Post

                    Imagine the millennials studying electronics via H&H now.
                    Ok boomer.
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                      #30
                      Personal opinion: Apprenticeships are great,

                      I became an apprentice at 30, did my degree on day release, Employer paid Uni fees, day wage & gave me experience on site.

                      Yes the starting wage is lower but after 5 yrs I had not only a degree, a job, 5yrs experience but No Uni Debt,

                      During the 5yrs I had 3 promotions with associated benefits to recognise my progress,

                      As for "tied to an employer" I could have swapped out to another company on the apprentice programme, once qualified I was tied for 12mth, in that if I left the Employer I would pay back a proportion of the fees, but after that I was as free as any other permie
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