Nurses are well paid for the job...

[Paralytic]

It may be a decent wage, until you compare it to an equivalently responsible job in, industry- shall we say £90 plus package

But do those equivalent jobs provide a guaranteed 50% of final salary (and inflation proof) pension?

People doing that job today, who do not get the gold-plated pension, will leave if they hit the ceiling is at £58K if they can get £90K elsewhere, leading to an inevitable pushing up of salary bands. This is market forces at work.

[SueEllen]

But do those equivalent jobs provide a guaranteed 50% of final salary (and inflation proof) pension?

People doing that job today, who do not get the gold-plated pension, will leave if they hit the ceiling is at £58K if they can get £90K elsewhere, leading to an inevitable pushing up of salary bands. This is market forces at work.

The NHS imports a lot of it's staff on the myth that is the NHS.

Next time you get any treatment particularly at a hospital try and find out where every single person treating you grew up.

[courtg9000]

The NHS imports a lot of it's staff on the myth that is the NHS.

Next time you get any treatment particularly at a hospital try and find out where every single person treating you grew up.

The NHS has little choice in this due to its gender imbalance.

The NHS is 75% female and loses 10% of its age 18-45 female population every year for a minimum of 12 months. It only gets 20% of that staff within 3 months of when they are due back and 40% never return to work in the NHS! Of those that do return within 3 months of being due back they will lose a third in the following 24 months on average!

[Paralytic]

The NHS imports a lot of it's staff on the myth that is the NHS.

Next time you get any treatment particularly at a hospital try and find out where every single person treating you grew up.

I've absolutely no idea what gold plated pensions are to do with where the NHS imports its staff from.

But, for what it's worth, I'm fortunate enough to have never in my life needed any treatment at a hospital and have only had a doctors appointment once in my adult life.

[vetran]

The NHS has little choice in this due to its gender imbalance.

The NHS is 75% female and loses 10% of its age 18-45 female population every year for a minimum of 12 months. It only gets 20% of that staff within 3 months of when they are due back and 40% never return to work in the NHS! Of those that do return within 3 months of being due back they will lose a third in the following 24 months on average!

So does that suggest the NHS is

A. A poor employer for women overall?
B. Inflexible for mothers ? - I have heard this.
C. Offering Bank nurses more flexible options to fit in round childcare and pay more?
D. something else?

[courtg9000]

So does that suggest the NHS is

A. A poor employer for women overall?
B. Inflexible for mothers ? - I have heard this.
C. Offering Bank nurses more flexible options to fit in round childcare and pay more?
D. something else?

A and not just for women. The NHS has a lot of faults including a huge bullying culture.
B Yes it is inflexible not just for mothers. See above.
C But a lot of bank shifts are taken up by nurses on their days off on the wards they usually work on as they are either a) paying off massive debt, usually huge credit card debt or b) and less likely saving up for something.
D The NHS is badly gender imbalanced. It also has a large number of other issues that need fixing. Poor management is a big part of this.

[xoggoth]

Work for HMRC instead:

https://www.fda.org.uk/home/Newsandm...C-members.aspx

[SueEllen]

Work for HMRC instead:

https://www.fda.org.uk/home/Newsandm...C-members.aspx

Least they have flexible working....

[clearedforlanding]

Quoting Mrs CFL

"The amount nurses are paid has a direct impact of the quality of care the patient receives." - The patient could be your child - think about that.

She should know.

Do not underestimate the MASS exodus that is happening with both non UK and non UK nurses. Any non UK speaking nurse that works in the UK has passed the OET (run by the Australians) and has better work opportunities elsewhere. There is a lot of demand for experienced nurses (Guess what? UK nurses can work overseas as well) and many who are not planning moving are retiring due to the way they have been treated during COVID. You are going to end up with a bunch of well intentioned junior nurses with noone to give them the on the job training.


Clap when you are in a Cardiac Ward.

[SueEllen]

Quoting Mrs CFL

"The amount nurses are paid has a direct impact of the quality of care the patient receives." - The patient could be your child - think about that.

She should know.

Do not underestimate the MASS exodus that is happening with both non UK and non UK nurses. Any non UK speaking nurse that works in the UK has passed the OET (run by the Australians) and has better work opportunities elsewhere. There is a lot of demand for experienced nurses (Guess what? UK nurses can work overseas as well) and many who are not planning moving are retiring due to the way they have been treated during COVID. You are going to end up with a bunch of well intentioned junior nurses with noone to give them the on the job training.


Clap when you are in a Cardiac Ward.

Ahh but they have gold plated pensions....

Doesn't help if you can't buy a house near where you work so you have a nearly 2 hour commute one way and/or struggle to see your kids.....