Nurses are well paid for the job...

[NotAllThere]

you might even afford some pork chops in the UK..

Please. Stop flaunting your wealth.

[malvolio]

I keep saying it, we are extremely well paid compared to most. £58k is in the top 10% for a salary. I suspect many of us on here earn much more.

£27k as a pension is very acceptable once housing purchase is excluded, you might even afford some pork chops in the UK.

Without mortgage we have survived on £12k a year and we lived OK no holiday though.

It may be a decent wage, until you compare it to an equivalently responsible job in, industry- shall we say £90 plus package - and ignoring the minor detail that her job is to keep people alive and meet a 100% quality target for the department's work, not to mention the years of qualifications (to the same level as an MD) to gain her fellowship and the thick end of 20 years on the top of her pay grade meaning no rises beyond inflation.

So yes, we are well off by several measures, although not rich by any means. Bearing in mind we started in 1970 with £13 a week, a baby on the way and nowhere to live, I think we damned well deserve it.

But that is not even vaguely the point. The NHS spends around £50bn on wages spread over 1.5m workers, which is an average of £37k pa. The actual average for all workers in the NHS is £27k pa and the highest pay scale for most of the them is about £51k, so some of them are doing quite well.

[d000hg]

Ministers should know better to keep their mouths shut, there is nothing that will sound good on this issue. The argument "nobody else is getting anything and the public sector has not had layoffs and furlough to worry about" is valid but "you get paid plenty"... come on you know that's not going to be portrayed well!

I did see only a few weeks ago that record numbers of people were applying to become nurses, which does rather play against the "shortage due to low wages" story.

We all know that you don't get paid according to how hard your job is or how hard you work. In fact probably the opposite to a degree.

[vetran]

It may be a decent wage, until you compare it to an equivalently responsible job in, industry- shall we say £90 plus package - and ignoring the minor detail that her job is to keep people alive and meet a 100% quality target for the department's work, not to mention the years of qualifications (to the same level as an MD) to gain her fellowship and the thick end of 20 years on the top of her pay grade meaning no rises beyond inflation.

So yes, we are well off by several measures, although not rich by any means. Bearing in mind we started in 1970 with £13 a week, a baby on the way and nowhere to live, I think we damned well deserve it.

But that is not even vaguely the point. The NHS spends around £50bn on wages spread over 1.5m workers, which is an average of £37k pa. The actual average for all workers in the NHS is £27k pa and the highest pay scale for most of the them is about £51k, so some of them are doing quite well.

As I said its spent on the (non clinical missed that bit) managers and consultants.

We (IT) are well paid compared to many jobs. I never wanted to work in healthcare, far too much responsibility for me. If I get sacked for losing a few million quid I can still live with myself.

[SueEllen]

Ministers should know better to keep their mouths shut, there is nothing that will sound good on this issue. The argument "nobody else is getting anything and the public sector has not had layoffs and furlough to worry about" is valid but "you get paid plenty"... come on you know that's not going to be portrayed well!

I did see only a few weeks ago that record numbers of people were applying to become nurses, which does rather play against the "shortage due to low wages" story.

We all know that you don't get paid according to how hard your job is or how hard you work. In fact probably the opposite to a degree.

They are all training to bugger off to the USA, Canada, Australia, etc, the private sector or completely different jobs just so they can have a decent wage and work pattern.

[vetran]

They are all training to bugger off to the USA, Canada, Australia, etc, the private sector or completely different jobs just so they can have a decent wage and work pattern.

That is possibly true we should really calculate how good the package is and retain as many good staff as possible. Let the US have the idiots!

[NowPermOutsideUK]

Her scheme pays up to 40 eightieths of final year salary depending on length of service, inflation proofed of course: in her case that works out to just above the national average salary and is subject to PAYE rates of taxation of course. Thankfully that is not our only income stream.

Hi for someone who is a bit clueless can you explain what that means - 40 eightieths of final salary - You can use 58K as the final salary - How much pension does she get ?

[vetran]

hi for someone who is a bit clueless can you explain what that means - 40 eightieths of final salary - you can use 58k as the final salary - how much pension does she get ?

27k

40/80=0.5

0.5 * 58k =27k

[HoofHearted]

27k

40/80=0.5

0.5 * 58k =27k

You might need new batteries for your calculator, mine says 0.5 * 58K = 29K

[vetran]

You might need new batteries for your calculator, mine says 0.5 * 58K = 29K

oops you are right , splitting headache..