So I think its finally dawned on IPSE's management

[youngguy]

Yup I did. They are still looking in to it. It's only been a few days so would expect them to sit back and investigate rather than giving out knee jerk responses. You've seen how well that's work on here in the last few days.

I suspect it is shock/outrage and I think it is mainly ppl venting.

Hopefully the Dec 5th docs will have worked detail and examples as I think most just want to know what this means for them so they can act)plan accordingly.

[bobspud]

Sorry I'm so used to IPSE stating that we pay VAT of £x,000, NI and income tax of £y, Corporation tax of £z I couldn't see the point.

That is a valid argument assuming its still true on the 5th. I suspect the VAT will remain with the agency and won't be due but lets wait and see.

I'm not sure that due is as big a problem as lots of companies and agencies reclaiming past VAT payments based on false employment status

[SueEllen]

I'm not sure that due is as big a problem as lots of companies and agencies reclaiming past VAT payments based on false employment status

It should be highlighted as an issue. Companies shouldn't be paying VAT on wages.

[eek]

Was thinking about the appropriate place to post something and this seems the best option:-

The silence from IPSE is getting very very loud.......

[LondonManc]

Was thinking about the appropriate place to post something and this seems the best option:-

The silence from IPSE is getting very very loud.......

In general or purely in terms of the PS legislation going through? Are they opposing it at all or seeing it as fait accomplit?

[eek]

In general or purely in terms of the PS legislation going through? Are they opposing it at all or seeing it as fait accomplit?

I don't know but there doesn't seem to be much visible action - given the time frames and the rules if they felt that it was safer for contactors to leave before April they really should be saying stay or go now.

[jamesbrown]

Not to defend IPSE - I don't know what they're doing/not doing, but I can see why it's a tightrope for them. It's much easier for us to speculate, shoot the tulip etc. Ultimately, no one really has a feckin' clue about how this is going to work out so, other than condemning the whole thing (which I think they've already done to some extent), we're at the point where specific advice is required, and I doubt many experts are willing to provide definitive advice that they could be shared in the current vacuum. It's tough when no one has a feckin' clue But they will need to get a clue ASAP, and I can see where you're coming from to some degree. This is one of the downsides of becoming a large, professional, body. They can't really come on boards like this with their best informed/semi-informed speculation/advice. I do hope (and expect) they're working behind the scenes though...

[eek]

Not to defend IPSE - I don't know what they're doing/not doing, but I can see why it's a tightrope for them. It's much easier for us to speculate, shoot the tulip etc. Ultimately, no one really has a feckin' clue about how this is going to work out so, other than condemning the whole thing (which I think they've already done to some extent), we're at the point where specific advice is required, and I doubt many experts are willing to provide definitive advice that they could be shared in the current vacuum. It's tough when no one has a feckin' clue But they will need to get a clue ASAP, and I can see where you're coming from to some degree. This is one of the downsides of becoming a large, professional, body. They can't really come on boards like this with their best informed/semi-informed speculation/advice. I do hope (and expect) they're working behind the scenes though...

I know the issue - the problem is that for a lot of people the deadline for a safe escape is rapidly approaching (assuming you want all payments to be made before the next tax year) - and with zero advice to go on people are doing various things through either panic or ignorance...

The thing is that today's TFL re-report is the perfect opportunity to say something - even if it is just something like blanket bans are not appropriate...

Meanwhile I'm already seeing cowboy umbrella's advertising themselves as safe solutions - and its always the cowboy umbrella's as they have more money to waste than real proper umbrella's...

[jamesbrown]

I know the issue - the problem is that for a lot of people the deadline for a safe escape is rapidly approaching (assuming you want all payments to be made before the next tax year) - and with zero advice to go on people are doing various things through either panic or ignorance...

The thing is that today's TFL re-report is the perfect opportunity to say something - even if it is just something like blanket bans are not appropriate...

Meanwhile I'm already seeing cowboy umbrella's advertising themselves as safe solutions - and its always the cowboy umbrella's as they have more money to waste than real proper umbrella's...

Yeah, as I say, I get where you're coming from. Sometimes it's better to put out some caveated, semi-authoritative, advice than nothing. I guess the issue with responding to the TfL memo is that it isn't public domain (just something on LinkedIn), but I see that CUK has already written about it. What they could do, though, is to ensure that members are fully informed about the info. that is already in the public-domain, such as the point about payments vs. when the work was done, because many contractors seem to have missed that point, and probably others too. Also the possibility that anyone staying on and accepting a change in status is potentially a target for HMRC. Some general advice and a holding statement seems worthwhile - perhaps they've done that (I haven't checked carefully)? Anything more specific will probably need to wait for the final legislation. Remember that this compressed timetable is basically HMRC playing hardball, i.e. constructive ambiguity/chaos.

[malvolio]

FWIW IPSE seem to be doing all they can but shouting isn't going to help. And HMG aren't listening to anyone.