So I think its finally dawned on IPSE's management

[bobspud]

It is early days and we'll be working on a full analysis and response, and we'll be continuing to lobby with evidence-based research and hand-in-hand with other industry bodies. However "We can't be treated as businesses and taxed as employees." is a pretty good starting point.

IPSE spent nearly £1m backing a member all the way to the House of Lords before, and we'd be prepared to do the same again (to the Supreme Court).

Just a thought why don't you find someone that lost their case and have a go at successfully proving that someone that was inside IR35 had no rights being registered for VAT? After all I never met a permanent employee that submitted VAT invoices for their pay...

The whole uber result has made the knock on effects far closer together...

[eek]

Just a thought why don't you find someone that lost their case and have a go at successfully proving that someone that was inside IR35 had no rights being registered for VAT? After all I never met a permanent employee that submitted VAT invoices for their pay...

The whole uber result has made the knock on effects far closer together...

VAT's an awkward subject because its a tax companies collect on behalf of HMRC rather than pays HMRC. I've had this argument a fair few times on the IPSE forums.

I think your argument is right why should someone collect VAT on behalf of HMRC when they are not being given any provision (no 5% expenses anymore) for dealing with the paperwork. But its not a simple argument to make..

[bobspud]

VAT's an awkward subject because its a tax companies collect on behalf of HMRC rather than pays HMRC. I've had this argument a fair few times on the IPSE forums.

I think your argument is right why should someone collect VAT on behalf of HMRC when they are not being given any provision (no 5% expenses anymore) for dealing with the paperwork. But its not a simple argument to make..

No that's not the point. To be registered for VAT you must be a company or a sole trader. The argument that I'm making is for you to collect VAT. You must be authorised to collect VAT on a vatable service. Invoices for services are vatable wages are not....

If you have just had your company proven to be a sham for tax avoidance then it can't be authorised to collect VAT can it? as you should have been submitting timesheets as an employee not as a business....

Please HMRC we were charged VAT wrongly on our employees wages...

[CoolCat]

A proper body to represent us like the Police Federation would be good, and worth paying for. The pol fed are known amongst lawyers for being the only "trade union" who always fund cases even when they legal team think they are going to loose.

[eek]

No that's not the point. To be registered for VAT you must be a company or a sole trader. The argument that I'm making is for you to collect VAT. You must be authorised to collect VAT on a vatable service. Invoices for services are vatable wages are not....

If you have just had your company proven to be a sham for tax avoidance then it can't be authorised to collect VAT can it? as you should have been submitting timesheets as an employee not as a business....

Please HMRC we were charged VAT wrongly on our employees wages...

Sorry I'm so used to IPSE stating that we pay VAT of £x,000, NI and income tax of £y, Corporation tax of £z I couldn't see the point.

That is a valid argument assuming its still true on the 5th. I suspect the VAT will remain with the agency and won't be due but lets wait and see.

[jonnyboy]

A proper body to represent us like the Police Federation would be good, and worth paying for. The pol fed are known amongst lawyers for being the only "trade union" who always fund cases even when they legal team think they are going to loose.

Big difference. Having somebody to represent you is one thing, but having a body who could instruct you (as a person or company) to down tools, work to rule, etc. No thanks.

[youngguy]

Has anyone in the ps spoken to their agencies and asked what their thinking is? I'm just wondering as a few months ago when I was turning ps roles down I heard all sorts such as 'we have ir35 compliant contracts ', it won't happen to central Gov o it local' 'it won't happen for at least a yr' etc

[northernladuk]

Has anyone in the ps spoken to their agencies and asked what their thinking is? I'm just wondering as a few months ago when I was turning ps roles down I heard all sorts such as 'we have ir35 compliant contracts ', it won't happen to central Gov o it local' 'it won't happen for at least a yr' etc

Yup I did. They are still looking in to it. It's only been a few days so would expect them to sit back and investigate rather than giving out knee jerk responses. You've seen how well that's work on here in the last few days.

[SussexSeagull]

Big difference. Having somebody to represent you is one thing, but having a body who could instruct you (as a person or company) to down tools, work to rule, etc. No thanks.

The Police Federation have no right to strike.

[stek]

I'm so glad I don't have to deal with this crap now, in fact I'm more resolved, never to return to UK to reside, I've decided to MVL my Ltd now, cannot see any point in making it dormat on the off-chance.

I pay 30% tax, plus €500 to payroll co, they do EVERYTHING, I do nothing except go to work and live my life. Office environment is soo much nicer, electrically-raisable desk by law to encourage standing up for part of the day for health reasons, cycling encouraged, no tulip in food (even McD's nuggets are wonderful, ask any expat here)!

No paperwork, no VAT/MOMS no need to keep receipts, no CT600, test driving a Tesla S next Friday...

"During your scheduled test run, a member of our team Tesla guide you through the route which is designed to highlight all that Model S can be, for example, piloting and our new Summon function.

You will also experience the exciting acceleration (0-100 km/h in as little as 3.0 seconds) and the characteristics that Model S has become known for, as well as the personalized settings that Tesla owners love."

Hmmmmmm