So I think its finally dawned on IPSE's management

[jamesbrown]

FWIW IPSE seem to be doing all they can but shouting isn't going to help. And HMG aren't listening to anyone.

Is there a press release or some guidance you can point to? I read a press release shortly after the AS (or the 5 Dec draft legislation, I don't recall). Is there something more detailed though? Also, what's your understanding of the work going on behind the scenes, in general terms? I know they were soliciting legal advice - anything productive from that coming soon? Anything else? I know I could ask on the IPSE forum, but the thread is here

I think eek has a point about pushing the boundary a bit more with some caveated info., because the consequences of no/little information increase as time goes on, i.e. we pass the point of no return, which is probably about now TBH for those on longer payment terms. Also, if IPSE members had a slightly longer heads-up, they'd be advantaged in seeking contracts outside the PS, were they to choose that route.

[eek]

Is there a press release or some guidance you can point to? I read a press release shortly after the AS (or the 5 Dec draft legislation, I don't recall). Is there something more detailed though? Also, what's your understanding of the work going on behind the scenes, in general terms? I know they were soliciting legal advice - anything productive from that coming soon? Anything else? I know I could ask on the IPSE forum, but the thread is here

I think eek has a point about pushing the boundary a bit more with some caveated info., because the consequences of no/little information increase as time goes on, i.e. we pass the point of no return, which is probably about now TBH for those on longer payment terms. Also, if IPSE members had a slightly longer heads-up, they'd be advantaged in seeking contracts outside the PS, were they to choose that route.

To be honest its the fact that salesmen for some dodgy companies are starting up again and explicitly targeting the April changes that concerns me - now I'm not sure how successful those schemes will actually be and how many agencies will see through the salesmen your typical contractor doesn't but the lack of information from others gives them an open door to push against...

[jamesbrown]

To be honest its the fact that salesmen for some dodgy companies are starting up again and explicitly targeting the April changes that concerns me - now I'm not sure how successful those schemes will actually be and how many agencies will see through the salesmen your typical contractor doesn't but the lack of information from others gives them an open door to push against...

Yes, agreed, they always spin-up in the chaos...

Partly, it's about informing contractors more generally; if it's looks too good to be true etc.... There's a degree of common sense about it, but I remember when I started up (), and it isn't always easy to cut through the hype when faced with other immediate pressures. Obviously, these dodgy operators know how to exploit chaos and, in that regard, you sometimes wonder whether HMRC are on their payroll...

[malvolio]

Is there a press release or some guidance you can point to? I read a press release shortly after the AS (or the 5 Dec draft legislation, I don't recall). Is there something more detailed though? Also, what's your understanding of the work going on behind the scenes, in general terms? I know they were soliciting legal advice - anything productive from that coming soon? Anything else? I know I could ask on the IPSE forum, but the thread is here

I think eek has a point about pushing the boundary a bit more with some caveated info., because the consequences of no/little information increase as time goes on, i.e. we pass the point of no return, which is probably about now TBH for those on longer payment terms. Also, if IPSE members had a slightly longer heads-up, they'd be advantaged in seeking contracts outside the PS, were they to choose that route.

Perhaps read their boards. An update - brief but to the point -was given earlier today.

But nobody can tell you what to do since nobody knows and HMG aren't telling.

[eek]

Perhaps read their boards. An update - brief but to the point -was given earlier today.

But nobody can tell you what to do since nobody knows and HMG aren't telling.

I'm assuming that's the one I seemed to trigger earlier today...

So yes I do read those boards - lets be frank it doesn't take very long....

[jamesbrown]

Perhaps read their boards. An update - brief but to the point -was given earlier today.

But nobody can tell you what to do since nobody knows and HMG aren't telling.

Yeah, I read their boards, daily, but it's like the Mary Celeste over there Anyway, yes I saw the update to which I assume you're referring (from Andy Chamberlain), but that's a two-line note, buried in some random TfL thread, about what they're doing to lobby HMG; not really what we're talking about here. If you're not talking about that two-line post, then it's obviously still pretty hard to find Also, FWIW, I'm not looking for info. personally - currently, I don't have any clients based in the UK, let alone the PS.

[malvolio]

Yeah, I read their boards, daily, but it's like the Mary Celeste over there Anyway, yes I saw the update to which I assume you're referring (from Andy Chamberlain), but that's a two-line note, buried in some random TfL thread, about what they're doing to lobby HMG; not really what we're talking about here. If you're not talking about that two-line post, then it's obviously still pretty hard to find Also, FWIW, I'm not looking for info. personally - currently, I don't have any clients based in the UK, let alone the PS.

So stop complaining that they're not doing anything then. Unless you think it helps anyone to do so.

IPSE aren't the problem.

[jamesbrown]

So stop complaining that they're not doing anything then. Unless you think it helps anyone to do so.

IPSE aren't the problem.

They're certainly not the problem, but they're a problem if they aren't providing adequate and timely information to their paying members. However, to be fair to IPSE, part of their problem on CUK is you You're always so incredibly thin-skinned about any questions or criticism directed their way. You could be useful, occasionally, by directing people to the actual information they've put in the public domain. If you think a random post on the IPSE forum (and you couldn't even refer to that, precisely) is going to see more than a few pairs of eyeballs....

[eek]

They're certainly not the problem, but they're a problem if they aren't providing adequate and timely information to their paying members. However, to be fair to IPSE, part of their problem on CUK is you You're always so incredibly thin-skinned about any questions or criticism directed their way. You could be useful, occasionally, by directing people to the actual information they've put in the public domain. If you think a random post on the IPSE forum (and you couldn't even refer to that, precisely) is going to see more than a few pairs of eyeballs....

It wouldn't be so bad if the post had come willingly. the fact I made a comment about silence which was then supported by someone else before Andy replied means that even that comment (which is utterly irrelevant to my lack of communication comment) was made after I commented on the silence....

Let's be blunt here IPSE did a web chat on the lunch time of December 9th. Since then whilst nothing has supposedly changed, the deadlines (if you are thinking about leaving) are rapidly approaching due to the fact the test is driven by the date of payments not the date the work is done. And that alone is worth explaining or reminding to IPSE members because some people on here who I thought would know such things (NLUK) were unaware of that fact earlier this week.

As for Mel, HMRC had a road map for the agency regulations and beyond 24 months ago that I remember talking to you about (as a none member I foolishly assumed you were far more important in IPSE than you are actually are).... I remember you commenting (and I still have the email notification) that IPSE knew all about it - I suspect they did not...

[malvolio]

Whatever...

The point remains: nobody can give informed advice until HMG CLARIFY how it is supposed to work. When that happens we will all know a lot more but until then demanding answers simply won't work.