[Merged]Brexit stuff

[darmstadt]

The whole point is that the large % of the population that you and the rest of the lefty liberals sneer at are directly affected by the EU. It is not your child coming fresh from UNI that is having to compete with 10,000 EU graduates for a graduate role at Marks&Spencer, Atkins, IBM, Ariva is it? The working class and their offspring are not only having to compete for jobs from hordes of eastern Europeans but they are also facing competition for schools, housing and healthcare too.
Whilst the middle classes enjoy the cheap builders, cheap nannies, cheap cleaners etc we ignore the deep social problems that affect the lower classes (we can just chuck em some welfare and share their tiny houses with their entire families). Brexit has given these people the opportunity to be heard.

Actually it is. My son will shortly leave university and he'll be competing against every other person of his age in the EU that also leaves university at the same time. That's exactly what the four freedoms of the EU are there for. UK students can also do exactly the same as the 'hordes of eastern Europeans'

[Old Greg]

Too complex for a witless dullard like you to fathom I'm afraid.

Glad to see I haven't missed much.

[darmstadt]

Brexiters (Breg-zit-hers)

Noun

1. The pimply youth at school who never managed to get off with the foreign exchange students at the school disco and has hated Europe ever since

[stek]

Actually it is. My son will shortly leave university and he'll be competing against every other person of his age in the EU that also leaves university at the same time. That's exactly what the four freedoms of the EU are there for. UK students can also do exactly the same as the 'hordes of eastern Europeans'

What I find amazing here is:

1. All education is free to all, even non-Danes

2. Students are paid to study, about 7000DKK a mo. I think

3. All lessons/lectures are streamed on internet in case students can't attend

I would prefer the UK spent money doing the same rather than profitting from students based on some ill-informed opinion that UK education is the best, take it home and impress you peers, and building massive Aircraft carriers to try to scare other countries who don't give a shiit anyway...

[GB9]

Actually it is. My son will shortly leave university and he'll be competing against every other person of his age in the EU that also leaves university at the same time. That's exactly what the four freedoms of the EU are there for. UK students can also do exactly the same as the 'hordes of eastern Europeans'

The term 'freedoms' is a bit of a joke really. It also refers to 'workers'. Does that mean that dole claimants don't count?

Why does the EU think that we have to allow all of their four freedoms rather than freedoms on a like for like basis as with most other agreements? Oh yes. They want to punish us. Not clever.

[stek]

The term 'freedoms' is a bit of a joke really. It also refers to 'workers'. Does that mean that dole claimants don't count?

Why does the EU think that we have to allow all of their four freedoms rather than freedoms on a like for like basis as with most other agreements? Oh yes. They want to punish us. Not clever.

No, the four freedoms are money, labour, goods, services.

To exercise a treaty right, ie move to another EU state you have to be employed, studying, self-sufficient (ie loaded) or a jobseeker. However you can only be a jobseeker for three months (that might be UK only since they clamped down, against EU law).

It's really not that easy just to relocate in EU, you can't just turn up and decamp, I've had to register as an EU resident at one place, apply for a CPR number at another, a NemID at another place, bank account at the bank not online, showing ID, lease where I live, employment contract and photo ID.

All the EU does is make it work-permitless, still a pain in the fooking arse, two months I've been here and I've still not all my shiit sorted.

[GB9]

Brexiters (Breg-zit-hers)

Noun

1. The pimply youth at school who never managed to get off with the foreign exchange students at the school disco and has hated Europe ever since

Remnants (Rem-nants)

People who still can't accept the result of the referendum held on 23 June 2016. Usually identifiable by a patronising attitude, they believe they are enlightened, more intelligent, and generally superior to everyone else. As with most leftover end pieces, they are most likely to be found with other remnants in a dark corner away from things that normal people want.

[DodgyAgent]

Actually it is. My son will shortly leave university and he'll be competing against every other person of his age in the EU that also leaves university at the same time. That's exactly what the four freedoms of the EU are there for. UK students can also do exactly the same as the 'hordes of eastern Europeans'

where is your son graduating from? If it is the UK there will be hardly any EU graduates competing with him unless he intends to pursue a career as a Barista

[SueEllen]

I am sure you have anecdotes to support your weak point but the numbers of EU graduates coming to the UK to compete with our own graduates is miniscule. It is interesting that instead of accepting my point you trip around it by for example making some totally irrelevant comment about foreign students.
The vast majority of Eastern and Med graduates that come to the UK are working in low level customer facing jobs in retail. So our "own" youngsters who have not degrees who would normally do these jobs are pushed down the scale into cleaning and other manual jobs.
The only "office" job that these eastern europeans do funnily enough is recruitment where they are fantastic administrators and hard working resourcers. I could feel aggrieved at this but as I have quite a lot of them working for me I think I will remain quiet on this

You are well aware I grew up in London so I went to school with children of EU citizens who never had British passports as they didn't need them. (Though I actually now know people brought up around the country who fit into that category.) British taxpayers paid for them to go to university and there have been more since 2000, this is why I'm asking what do you mean as "our own"? Do you mean those with British passports or simply those educated in the UK to degree level regardless of the passport they hold? It's not a trick question.

In regards to Eastern Europeans and those from the Med - the people I know have STEM degrees and there is a shortage in the EU of people with those qualifications. Therefore it isn't hard, if you want, to get a job elsewhere in the EEA. In fact the Polish and Hungarians I've worked with plus the Spanish and Greeks I know have all made it clear that if you do certain arty/social science subjects then you are going to have difficulty getting a decent/high paying job in their own country so they may as well go elsewhere in the EEA.

[SueEllen]

No, the four freedoms are money, labour, goods, services.

To exercise a treaty right, ie move to another EU state you have to be employed, studying, self-sufficient (ie loaded) or a jobseeker. However you can only be a jobseeker for three months (that might be UK only since they clamped down, against EU law).

Nope the rules are EU wide linky