[Merged]Brexit stuff

[The_Equalizer]

I live in the EU - in England.

So we have two. It's possible to find four leaf clovers too.

[NotAllThere]

I had an agent call me up from London this morning as to quote in GBP and not Euro. So I did, he was not impressed with my £110 p/h rate for a 12 month gig. So I says can you say for sure the exchange rate will be the same by end of 2017? No. So yeah £110p/h or of off you go.

"I'll have to talk with the senior consultant, the client needs... blah "

Honestly, they've no idea.

£110 per hour? INKSPE.

So we have two. It's possible to find four leaf clovers too.

This thread is hardly representative. There's the Brexiters involved in mutual and a few remainers occasionally rattling their cages.

[scooterscot]

Bad news for any Wrexiters believing they'll have a trade deal with the EU all sown up before closing time.

Belgium Walloons block key EU Ceta trade deal with Canada

Although I personally would have liked to have seen this one go through.

[eek]

Bad news for any Wrexiters believing they'll have a trade deal with the EU all sown up before closing time.

Belgium Walloons block key EU Ceta trade deal with Canada

Although I personally would have liked to have seen this one go through.

Shows why we need to get out of the Eu if the equivalent of 1 county council and scupper a continent wide deal?

As for the impact it has on us, we prepare for a hard exit, sort out deals with other parts of the world and see what happens. It's the only thing the UK can do...

[Old Greg]

Shows why we need to get out of the Eu if the equivalent of 1 county council and scupper a continent wide deal?

As for the impact it has on us, we prepare for a hard exit, sort out deals with other parts of the world and see what happens. It's the only thing the UK can do...

I thought we needed to get out of the EU because it is an evil EUSSR superstate within which individual nation states do not have sovereignty.

Great to see we need to leave the EU for two contradictory reasons. All fits with the general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness thing that's going on at the moment.

[Lance]

Great to see we need to leave the EU for two contradictory reasons.

You mean like parliamentary sovereignty..... but our government wants to use Royal Prerogative to bypass parliament?

[BlasterBates]

Perhaps Scotland should break away from it's dictatorial neighbour and become a member of the EU where it can block deals 5 or 6 times larger than the deals it currently has no say in at all.

English minister dictates to Scotland that it must do as the English say

[jamesbrown]

I thought we needed to get out of the EU because it is an evil EUSSR superstate within which individual nation states do not have sovereignty.

Great to see we need to leave the EU for two contradictory reasons. All fits with the general http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness thing that's going on at the moment.

The European Parliament is nominally democratic too. There are various flavours (and corruptions) of democracy. Being nominally democratic is not sufficient. The problem with the EU is not simply one of process (many of our own processes are flawed), but one of scale. It's near impossible to sustain a functioning democracy (or autocracy or anything in between) at the level of a superstate. This isn't a new problem. Wallonia and Greece are symptoms of the same, fundamental, problem. This is why I have some sympathy for the Scots in seeking their own independence, although I think the economic/democratic trade-off is rather different there. There's a trade-off between pooling responsibility and overly aggregating and abstracting the views of a population, and that trade-off seems to be beyond your (and others) perception. Logically, one must assume that you'd support the expansion of the EU far beyond its current boundaries. Why should geography be an impediment? What is your vision for the EU several decades from now?

I'm anticipating something glib, perhaps formulated as a series of questions, in order to divert and obfuscate. It's a defence mechanism. You're afraid to have any sort of meaningful discussion, I predict. What's your vision for the EU?

[vetran]

I've lived in fantasy land for years.

FTFY

You might have escaped to EU light but its still pretty much managed by the EU.

note despite the Brexit vote we the UK are still in the EU and fighting to get out.

Of course if you don't live anywhere in the EU you have even less right than the SNP to spout about Brexit. Pretend you are Obama and tell us how important it is we stay in.

[Old Greg]

The European Parliament is nominally democratic too. There are various flavours (and corruptions) of democracy. Being nominally democratic is not sufficient. The problem with the EU is not simply one of process (many of our own processes are flawed), but one of scale. It's near impossible to sustain a functioning democracy (or autocracy or anything in between) at the level of a superstate. This isn't a new problem. Wallonia and Greece are symptoms of the same, fundamental, problem. This is why I have some sympathy for the Scots in seeking their own independence, although I think the economic/democratic trade-off is rather different there. There's a trade-off between pooling responsibility and overly aggregating and abstracting the views of a population, and that trade-off seems to be beyond your (and others) perception. Logically, one must assume that you'd support the expansion of the EU far beyond its current boundaries. Why should geography be an impediment? What is your vision for the EU several decades from now?

I'm anticipating something glib, perhaps formulated as a series of questions, in order to divert and obfuscate. It's a defence mechanism. You're afraid to have any sort of meaningful discussion, I predict. What's your vision for the EU?

I don't support the EU.