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The Government believes that Britain should play a leading role in an enlarged European Union, but that no further areas of power should be transferred to Brussels without a referendum. This approach strikes the right balance between constructive engagement with the EU to deal with the issues that affect us all, and protecting our national sovereignty.
We will continue to be an active and activist participant in the European Union, with the goal of ensuring that Europe is equipped to face the challenges of the 21st century: global competitiveness, global warming and global poverty.
We will ensure that there is no further transfer of sovereignty or areas of power over the course of the Parliament.
We have introduced a Bill in order to amend the 1972 European Communities Act so that any proposed future treaty that transferred areas of power, or competences, would be subject to a referendum on that treaty - a 'referendum lock'.
We have introduced a United Kingdom Sovereignty clause to make it clear that ultimate authority remains with Parliament.
We will ensure that Britain does not join or prepare to join the Euro in this Parliament.
We are strongly defending the UK's national interests in the EU budget negotiations and agree that the EU budget should only focus on those areas where the EU can add value.
We are pressing for the European Parliament to have only one seat, in Brussels.
We support the further enlargement of the EU subject to all candidates meeting the strict accession criteria.Just saying like.
where there's chaos, there's cash !
I could agree with you, but then we would both be wrong!
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Originally posted by Mich the Tester View Post100,000 names! Wow! that's nearly 0.17% of the population of the UK!Comment
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Originally posted by Ruprect View PostNothing to be gained at the moment - just something the euro-sceptics dredge up every now and then.
How can you ask a sensible question of the British public when you're in the middle of sovereign crisis management, and nobody knows what the situation will be in a week's time, let alone over the next few years?
This should have been done before signing away powers in the Lisbon treaty, or even before Maastricht. Getting powers back is a different kettle of fish - you don't necessarily need a referendum for that.Comment
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daft and dangerous laws if we only went on popular opinion
It is government policies that are shear lunacy, driven by misguided idealism and egotism. A united Europe is a great idea but it has to be implemented slowly as there are a great many things, prosperity, economic structures, beliefs and attitudes, cultures, that need to converge for it to stand a chance of working. These bastards have to rush it, so they can say "look what I've acheived in my lifetime"Last edited by xoggoth; 25 October 2011, 09:34.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
John Wayne (My guru, not to be confused with my beloved prophet Jeremy Clarkson)Comment
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Ceefax had a great list this morning, unfortunately can't easily get online AFAIK, of all the times a referendum has been promised by political parties and all the times that further integration has happened with no consultation. It filled three pages.
Maybe if we shot the bastards and hung them up like Mussolini every time they break a major promise we might get better government.bloggoth
If everything isn't black and white, I say, 'Why the hell not?'
John Wayne (My guru, not to be confused with my beloved prophet Jeremy Clarkson)Comment
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostCeefax had a great list this morning, unfortunately can't easily get online AFAIK, of all the times a referendum has been promised by political parties and all the times that further integration has happened with no consultation. It filled three pages.
Maybe if we shot the bastards and hung them up like Mussolini every time they break a major promise we might get better government.Comment
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Originally posted by xoggoth View PostFar fewer than we get now in my opinion, people know what sort of society they want and isn't that what should matter most in a democracy? What goes with human nature and wants, with some obvious limitations, is what works.
Opinions change like the wind - what is popular and fashionable this week won't be next week.
Some people's messed-up view of what they would like society to be would destroy most of our freedoms - and there is a real risk that in any given week they could be in the majority.
Just because I may be in a minority (opposed to ID cards, for example) doesn't mean my rights shouldn't be respected - but in mob rule they aren't.
We don't have any written constitutional rights so anything could be fair game.
Who determines what is a majority anyway on a single issue - given the voting turnout we usually get that would be crucial.
Originally posted by xoggoth View PostIt is government policies that are shear lunacy, driven by misguided idealism and egotism. A united Europe is a great idea but it has to be implemented slowly as there are a great many things, prosperity, economic structures, beliefs and attitudes, cultures, that need to converge for it to stand a chance of working. These bastards have to rush it, so they can say "look what I've acheived in my lifetime"Comment
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What % of Joe Public would a) read and b) understand the implications of the treaty? Compare that with the number of people who would get the gist from a Littlejohn "you couldn't make it up" rant.
Seems to me that we'd all end up winning the First Annual Montgomery Burns Award for Outstanding Achievement in the Field of Excellence.Comment
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