Brexit win - 11 threads into one

[DimPrawn]

Any supremacy of European Law over UK law derives - in the UK - from the European Communities Act 1972. So the repeal of the European Communities Act 1972 by the UK Parliament (and potentially related subsequent acts such as the European Union (Amendment) Act 2008 which instituted the Lisbon Treaty) negates those powers.

Sad really, you haven't got a clue what a Treaty is. No, parliament cannot negate those powers, not without leaving the EU, hence the referendum.

Maybe time for you to do some study on international laws and treaties?

[Old Greg]

Sad really, you haven't got a clue what a Treaty is. No, parliament cannot negate those powers, not without leaving the EU, hence the referendum.

Maybe time for you to do some study on international laws and treaties?

I didn't say that Parliament could negate the powers without leaving the EU. I said that Parliament could negate the powers at any point.

[DimPrawn]

I didn't say that Parliament could negate the powers without leaving the EU. I said that Parliament could negate the powers at any point.

So what you are saying, is in effect, we cannot do feck all about what Brussels thrusts upon us, unless we leave the EU, then we can repeal them?

Can you see where logically, we as a nation MUST do now?

[dx4100]

I didn't say that Parliament could negate the powers without leaving the EU. I said that Parliament could negate the powers at any point.

Which is the ultimate argument that we remain sovereign. The referendum and our ability to leave is in itself total proof of it.

[DimPrawn]

Which is the ultimate argument that we remain sovereign. The referendum and our ability to leave is in itself total proof of it.

And that is only because the Lisbon treaty added a clause allowing member states to leave. Before that it was illegal to leave.

That is the only right we have in the EU, to leave. We can't legally pick and choose EU laws. If you are in, you are in, and whatever is thrust upon you, you have to abide by.

[vetran]

Its funny to see you post a link that very clearly shows the political power the UK has within the EU.

Our political power gives us thing not even legally agreed...

• Stops the Eu using the EFSM to bail out countries
• The rebate
• The power to veto treaties
• The power to veto budgets
• The power to stop any miltary integration we don't want
• The power to leave the EU whenever we choose

Yet the outters say we have lost our sovereignty... The outters say we have no democracy... The outters say we have no powers...

All clearly bulltulip

We are being taken out based on lies by the outters. Its a dam shame.

There is a difference between legal rights and therefore powers and verbal promises. Most of the above are promises.

[Old Greg]

So what you are saying, is in effect, we cannot do feck all about what Brussels thrusts upon us, unless we leave the EU, then we can repeal them?

Can you see where logically, we as a nation MUST do now?

No you are making stuff up.

What I am saying is that we can leave the EU at any point with or without the consent of the EU (which I think we are now agreed on despite the Leave Project Fear (TM) scaremongering) so there is no need to do so now, especially as even the champion of Leave has 'absolutely no idea' what will happen if Britain leaves the EU.

What we should do is shape what Leave looks like in advance of a referendum. Or have a two stage referendum, 1st to negotiate the Out settlement, and then to decide. Then I may well be pro-Leave too.

What we should not do NOW is vote for Leave if we have 'absolutely no idea' what will happen if Britain leaves the EU.

[BrilloPad]

whatever is thrust upon you, you have to abide by.

Sounds like a night with NLyUK.

[Mordac]

Which is the ultimate argument that we remain sovereign. The referendum and our ability to leave is in itself total proof of it.

Quite. He'll never get it though, which is why I gave up arguing the toss with him. Some people will continually insist that black isn't black, it's just a very dark shade of white...

[LondonManc]

Its funny to see you post a link that very clearly shows the political power the UK has within the EU.

Our political power gives us thing not even legally agreed...

• Stops the Eu using the EFSM to bail out countries
• The rebate
• The power to veto treaties
• The power to veto budgets
• The power to stop any miltary integration we don't want
• The power to leave the EU whenever we choose

Yet the outters say we have lost our sovereignty... The outters say we have no democracy... The outters say we have no powers...

All clearly bulltulip

We are being taken out based on lies by the outters. Its a dam shame.

There is a difference between legal rights and therefore powers and verbal promises. Most of the above are promises.

The promise to not include us in bail outs was gained in writing in 2013. EU tore it up in 2015 when they needed our £600m of help to bail Greece out in 2015. They cannot be trusted, simple as that.