Brexit win - 11 threads into one

[dx4100]

I think following us exiting there is a chance of the EU falling apart anyway... There might not be anything to pull a trigger on....

[VectraMan]

Well we know it isn't getting worse.

According to the Outies it is getting worse every day.

If we wait you never know the EU might grow up and negotiate a settlement that makes us want to stay.

The option on the ballot paper is "Leave" not "let's wait and see" or "lets form a committee to look into the possibility of leaving at the appropriate juncture". It's important people understand that. Voting to leave because you think it means we get to stay is really dumb.

2 years ought to be enough time to have another referendum if something significant changed; probably only immigration caps would be enough for that to happen. Having a hard deadline is likely to be the only way to get some progress; the EU isn't going to cave in on anything if after 5 years the UK still dillying and dallying about Brexit.

[Old Greg]

Staying in the EU doesn't mean the same as now. It means we will yield more and more power to Brussels/Berlin. We're heading to a European superstate if we remain, not staying as things are now. Do Bremainers not listen to things that don't suit their case? #BREMAINDEAD

Parliament can grant power to Brussels or retract that power again as it sees fit, because it is sovereign. So, I hope that helps alleviate your Project Fear (TM) mindset.

[dx4100]

According to the Outies it is getting worse every day.



The option on the ballot paper is "Leave" not "let's wait and see" or "lets form a committee to look into the possibility of leaving at the appropriate juncture". It's important people understand that. Voting to leave because you think it means we get to stay is really dumb.

2 years ought to be enough time to have another referendum if something significant changed; probably only immigration caps would be enough for that to happen. Having a hard deadline is likely to be the only way to get some progress; the EU isn't going to cave in on anything if after 5 years the UK still dillying and dallying about Brexit.

Out is out...

But its sensible and grown up to realise that Out is going to take a long time and be an involved process and tulip might change on route....

I think there is a possibility of a second referendum, or a referendum via general election over the coming years though.... We don't know how the EU react or if its just simply going to eat itself after we vote out...

[Old Greg]

I don't think that would be such a bad thing. Brexit will not be a time for party politics. Everyone needs representation in the exit planning. The ConLib coalition may have been dysfunctional at times, but the more lunatic ideas of both parties were constrained. We need grown up discussions, not point scoring.

Unfortunately, hell will probably freeze over before that happens.

In the event of a Brexit vote there may be a need for a National Government to deal with the growing crisis.

[vetran]

Parliament can grant power to Brussels or retract that power again as it sees fit, because it is sovereign. So, I hope that helps alleviate your Project Fear (TM) mindset.

wrong

Fox on Friday: Without our veto we are powerless to halt the European superstate - The Conservative Woman

[LondonManc]

Parliament can grant power to Brussels or retract that power again as it sees fit, because it is sovereign. So, I hope that helps alleviate your Project Fear (TM) mindset.

Why bother with a full on IN/OUT referendum then, wasting millions upon millions of taxpayer money rather than simply and clearly explain what ongoing membership of Europe means?

[dx4100]

wrong

Fox on Friday: Without our veto we are powerless to halt the European superstate - The Conservative Woman

So much FUD

[vetran]

So much FUD

yep

EU facts: David Cameron says Vote Leave told six lies.  Was he telling the truth? 

[Old Greg]

wrong

Fox on Friday: Without our veto we are powerless to halt the European superstate - The Conservative Woman

The UK Parliament can repeal any law that it has made, thus any attempt to create a EU superstate could only include the UK if the UK Parliament consented, and the UK Parliament could subsequently withdraw its consent.

The veto is about he direction of the EU, not about whether the UK chooses to participate in the direction of the EU.

HTH