Brexit won't stop EU migration

[BrilloPad]

They just can't help the fact that their economy is strong.

Apart from EU monetary policy being run for the benefit of the German economy.

I also suspect they would rather partner with Britain than France

Rather like 1939 then.

[The_Equalizer]

That's a good idea ...

So we've got you round to Leave then.

[vetran]

That's a good idea ...

unfortunately the EU refuses to consider it.

[jamesbrown]

I don't think conflating support for the Euro versus support for a trading bloc is fair.
FWIW I've never been a fan of the Euro - there are probably posts on this forum that I've made about that years ago.

This is a question of judgement, and positioning w/r to the Euro is an analogous judgement from recent history. The economic costs and benefits are on varied timeframes, distributed unevenly, and clouded with massive uncertainties. I think it's right that we point to the Euro decision as directly analogous and a significant misjudgement among a majority of Bremainers. Present company accepted

[sasguru]

The EU is feeling more like some dodgy paramilitary group.

Have you had much dealing with the EU? Worked there? Done business there? Lived there?
Doesn't feel like a "dodgy paramilitary group" to me.

[sasguru]

This is a question of judgement, and positioning w/r to the Euro is an analogous judgement from recent history. The economic costs and benefits are on varied timeframes, distributed unevenly, and clouded with massive uncertainties. I think it's right that we point to the Euro decision as directly analogous and a significant misjudgement among a majority of Bremainers. Present company accepted

Thanks, but I think you mean excepted

[BlasterBates]

as recorded EU migration is over half then if we reduced that then we wold reduce immigration.

The fact international migration is broken as well doesn't mean that we do nothing.

We have about 30-40 Polish shops in Slough plus all the supermarkets have a large Polish section, the 8,249 poles in the area must eat a lot of polish food daily.

EU net migration is less than half actually over the last few years. Where I lived in the UK there were a lot of Asian shops selling Asian food, and that was a long time ago

[jamesbrown]

Thanks, but I think you mean excepted

Fecking idioms

[sasguru]

So we've got you round to Leave then.

I have thought about it but I think the cost would be far too high: politically, economically and every which way.
Not necessarily for people like us who will thrive, Brexit or not, but for more vulnerable people and for future generations.
In the broad picture I think it is Britain's destiny to play a leading role in Europe, the older generation have been reluctant to embrace that, but the younger generation overwhelmingly are for it.
This difficult process of adjustment is just a part of the change from post-imperialism.
I suspect even if Brexit was chosen at this referendum that 2 generations down the line we'd be asking to go back in, since the young are so much for it.
Anyway I suspect we'll have to agree to disagree on this one

[BlasterBates]

This sums it up

UK migration: Six myths about immigration debunked as latest figures show fall in non-EU arrivals | Home News | News | The Independent

In its 2015 General Election briefing, the Centre for Economic Performance at the London School of Economics observed: “There is still no evidence of an overall negative impact of immigration on jobs, wages, housing or the crowding out of public services.

“Any negative impacts on wages of less skilled groups are small. One of the largest impacts of immigration seems to be on public perceptions.”

In Germany we've had a million refugees come, and guess what, I've noticed nothing on any of the services I use, and they're still balancing the books.

In the UK there is "hysteria" about immigration, mainly driven by reading the Daily Mail and "shock" of seeing (God forbid) a shop selling Polish food.