Cameron in Europe - Good or Crap?

[SueEllen]

There is a pretence of democracy in the EU but no one has been asked whether they wanted to pool sovereignty with 27 other countries with the end game being a United States of Europe, let alone the prospect of other countries joining such as Turkey.

The UK governments have an ulterior motive in allowing Turkey in. They know Germans don't like Turks and Germany has a large Turkish population. If you want to curtail freedom of movement what better way of doing it?

[AtW]

Putins bombing of Syrian civilians were very timely and useful to Camoron ...

[xoggoth]

Ignoring the slanted headlines, here's an interesting article by the EU commission:

Over the next ten to 15 years, 90% of world demand will be generated outside Europe. That is why it is a key priority for the EU to tap into this growth potential by opening up market opportunities for European businesses abroad. One way of ensuring this is through negotiating agreements with our key partners.

Agreements - Trade - European Commission

So, if they are seeking to increase trade outside the EU with free trade deals, if they have made deals with the likes of the DCR and Angola, would they seriously want to block out the UK which accounts for £31bn of their exports? Another thing is that, even if they set up trade tariffs, these only amount to 2.5%, pretty small compared to effects of currency fluctuations.

Edit:
Been looking further, tariffs vary depending on product, trying to find a mean figure. On the plus side we actually buy £289 bn of EU goods in a year. Thought 31 seemed low.

[xoggoth]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

[SueEllen]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

Should be on a new thread.

The reason why these alternative therapies work is they are basically talking therapies with the placebo effect. Medical doctors don't have time to talk to patients but alternative therapists do. They also don't tend to wear white coats.

[xoggoth]

Yer right missus. On both points.

[FatLazyContractor]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

Is there a Homeopathic viagra?

[darmstadt]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

Someone who talks bollocks at every opportunity:

[original PM]

Is there a Homeopathic viagra?

X hamster 🐹

Apparently

[xoggoth]

Interesting thing here from the house of commons:

http://researchbriefings.files.parli...30/SN06730.pdf

To sum up, "nobody really knows", there are so many different things that could happen, but there are a few debunkers of some scares we have seen, eg on tariffs:

The terms of WTO agreements limit the circumstances in which such measures can be applied, and in particular uphold the principle of non-discrimination that would prohibit punitive measures against the UK were it to leave.