Cameron in Europe - Good or Crap?

[VectraMan]

Others (probably including me) will vote out because they find the European project itself unacceptable, due to the democratic deficit at its heart. It isn't the idea of a super state I object to (actually I quite like the idea), but the idea of a super state that wants to constitute itself on anything other than full democracy. 1 citizen 1 vote. Always.

As has been stated many times the EU is more democratic in its operation than the UK. The argument (as per by Michael Gove) appears to be that the EU is undemocratic because a minority (the UK) doesn't have free reign to do what it wants against the wishes of the majority (27 other countries).

I suggest you look up democracy in the dictionary.

[original PM]

As has been stated many times the EU is more democratic in its operation than the UK. The argument (as per by Michael Gove) appears to be that the EU is undemocratic because a minority (the UK) doesn't have free reign to do what it wants against the wishes of the majority (27 other countries).

I suggest you look up democracy in the dictionary.

Exactly so we don't like it so we leave.

Everyone is a winner surely?

Or is the mantra that we submit to euro democracy or face the consequences?

I little ironic don't you think?

[clearedforlanding]

It's really sweet that someone who is not from the UK feels they have a right to tell those that are what to do.

But please excuse me if I ignore it.

The quote is Stefan Kornelius' opinion of David Cameron's interests are. He is not telling anyone to do anything.

Tip: Conflict is not the best way to covert someone to your point of view. If you want to try and persuade someone, it helps to listen (in this case read), acknowledge and understand their point of view, then present a cohesive, polite & informed argument.

But hey this is General, so **** everyone's point of view. I am going to vote yes as it is to my advantage as a UK citizen living in another EU country and that of my children who are tri-lingual and soon to be highly qualified.

[original PM]

The quote is Stefan Kornelius' opinion of David Cameron's interests are. He is not telling anyone to do anything.

Tip: Conflict is not the best way to covert someone to your point of view. If you want to try and persuade someone, it helps to listen (in this case read), acknowledge and understand their point of view, then present a cohesive, polite & informed argument.

But hey this is General, so **** everyone's point of view. I am going to vote yes as it is to my advantage as a UK citizen living in another EU country and that of my children who are tri-lingual and soon to be highly qualified.

Excellent

Not sure why but go you.

Btw I do not really care what other people do so not trying to convert anyone.

More I am interested in other people's views on why the UK should stay in the EU. Especially interested in understanding what benefit it is to the EU for UK to stay in.

[Flashman]

As has been stated many times the EU is more democratic in its operation than the UK. The argument (as per by Michael Gove) appears to be that the EU is undemocratic because a minority (the UK) doesn't have free reign to do what it wants against the wishes of the majority (27 other countries).

I suggest you look up democracy in the dictionary.

Lets look it up for you.

Democracy, or democratic government, is "a system of government in which all the people of a state or polity ... are involved in making decisions about its affairs, typically by voting to elect representatives to a parliament or similar assembly," as defined by the Oxford English Dictionary

Where does a non elected EU Commission and President (s) fit into that? In this country the people can get rid of our leaders every 5 years if we wish. How does that work for the EU?

The EU itself famously could not apply to join the EU as its not a democracy.

[jamesbrown]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

[AtW]

Well, I've always disliked Boris and thought he was a cretin, good to see it confirmed.

[darmstadt]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

Johnson, Galloway, Goldsmith, Farage, Gove, et. al. some pretty prominent losers and scoundrels there

[AtW]

Johnson, Galloway, Goldsmith, Farage, Gove, et. al. some pretty prominent losers and scoundrels there

Some of them are cretins and others act out of personal cynical self-interest that disregards what's best for the country.

[jamesbrown]

Johnson, Galloway, Goldsmith, Farage, Gove, et. al. some pretty prominent losers and scoundrels there

Yeah, versus Corbyn, McGuinness and Sturgeon. Should be fun.