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Cameron in Europe - Good or Crap?

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    #81
    Originally posted by Waldorf View Post
    AtW - I've realised what this stands for, A Total ******
    I've been called worse

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      #82
      Originally posted by AtW View Post
      300k migrants in country of 60 mln isn't a problem, the real problem is that UK does not build enough houses - that's the issue, maybe put migrants to work on that - build 9 houses and 10th is theirs, including citizenship?.
      Don't forget that these are NET migrant figures, so after the people who have left have been deducted.

      Also this is just for ONE year! Over the Blair/Brown years we probably saw 3-4 million immigrants, and since they left office the numbers have continued.

      We cannot cope with these numbers and only be leaving the EU can we regain control of our borders.

      The pressures on our hospitals, schools, roads and other public services continue to build up.

      Most of the migrants are lower paid and so pay little if any tax, often remit funds back home, depriving the UK economy of spending and of course are a drain on the taxpayer.
      "The budget should be balanced, the Treasury should be refilled, public debt should be reduced, the arrogance of officialdom should be tempered and controlled, and the assistance to foreign lands should be curtailed lest Rome become bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance." Cicero

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        #83
        Originally posted by Waldorf View Post
        Most of the migrants are lower paid and so pay little if any tax, often remit funds back home, depriving the UK economy of spending and of course are a drain on the taxpayer.


        I hope it will make you feel better to know that my £10k towards good causes will be totally remitted out of UK...

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          #84
          Originally posted by AtW View Post


          I hope it will make you feel better to know that my £10k towards good causes will be totally remitted out of UK...
          I'd like to thank you for the gesture, but down here in Southern Europe we kind of expect this from the UK taxpayer now.

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            #85
            "Call me Dave" hasn't done an especially bad job in Europe, given that he was attempting the impossible. He has done his best to bring 2 sides together and everyone knew it must end in failure. But he had to try, so respect for that. Nobody is dissappointed, because nobody, including Dave, ever expected any other result.

            In the referendum, some will vote to stay in, some will vote out due to current events eg. migration. Others (probably including me) will vote out because they find the European project itself unacceptable, due to the democratic deficit at its heart. It isn't the idea of a super state I object to (actually I quite like the idea), but the idea of a super state that wants to constitute itself on anything other than full democracy. 1 citizen 1 vote. Always.

            Either that or just remain a trading block. Which is all that anybody ever wanted anyway.
            Last edited by unixman; 21 February 2016, 00:25.

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              #86
              Originally posted by Waldorf View Post
              Most of the migrants are lower paid and so pay little if any tax, often remit funds back home, depriving the UK economy of spending and of course are a drain on the taxpayer.
              Which might be an argument for introducing a fiscal policy that that forces big business to pay decent wages rather than a policy that forces the small business owner & middle class tax payer to subsidise support of low wage earners, don't ya think?

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                #87
                Originally posted by clearedforlanding View Post
                Which might be an argument for introducing a fiscal policy that that forces big business to pay decent wages rather than a policy that forces the small business owner & middle class tax payer to subsidise support of low wage earners, don't ya think?
                It would be nice to stop subsidising Poundland and Tesco. I mean we don't subsidise Lidl and Aldi workers' wages whether they are staff members or on one of those sham government back to work schemes.
                "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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                  #88
                  This little quote via The Guardian, sums it all up nicely.

                  Stefan Kornelius, foreign editor of Süddeutsche Zeitung

                  The prime minister wants reforms, but they are not really to be taken seriously: Cameron’s need for change is for the purpose of political self-preservation. Cameron is about Cameron, not the EU.

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by zemoxyl View Post
                    This little quote via The Guardian, sums it all up nicely.
                    It's really sweet that someone who is not from the UK feels they have a right to tell those that are what to do.

                    But please excuse me if I ignore it.

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                      #90
                      Originally posted by original PM View Post
                      It's really sweet that someone who is not from the UK feels they have a right to tell those that are what to do.

                      But please excuse me if I ignore it.
                      Substitute EU with UK and it still would be true.
                      "You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JR

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