Seemed a load of old crap to me
What did he win exactly?
What did he win exactly?
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He got a new "deal". Whatever it is.Originally posted by MarillionFan View Post -
Feck all.
Politically, he came away with a few headlines but, there's no substance. He didn't ask for anything significant. The headlines will tout a 7yr freeze on in-work benefits, but it's a mechanism that lasts for 7 years, only applies to 4yrs for any individual, and is tapered after 1yr. It will have no impact on immigration, which is why it's sold as an issue of "fairness". Likewise, he can tout treaty change on "ever closer union", but only when the treaties are eventually changed in many years, and there are no guarantees. There aren't even guarantees that the European parliament will accept the wording as-is when they vote after the referendum. Eyes will glaze over when he talks about the protections for the City.
None of this moves the needle, which is why, in his press conference, he conflated it with a lot of crap that wasn't even part of the negotiation. He's a hopeless PR spiv.Comment
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A chocolate biscuit that was not to be opened before the 59th minute of the eleventh hour of 'peace in our time negotiations'. Hurrah, hurrah ! for everyone keeping to the script. Let's all hail the new Churchill !! Hurrah !!Originally posted by MarillionFan View PostComment
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Agreed - feck all.
One thing about other countries having coalition governments is they know how to negotiate to get the maximum they want. Cameron doesn't. He's just full of spin - sorry tulip."You’re just a bad memory who doesn’t know when to go away" JRComment
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He won a lot of EU leaders tweeting and being quoted on "Cameron fought hard and secured a good deal for the UK and the *EU".
Much political capital for spin. Absolutely **** all in things of any substance to the public.Last edited by clearedforlanding; 19 February 2016, 23:30. Reason: to Eu, but they are one and the same stillComment
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EMERGENCY freeze with extra NO-MORE-SOMETHING-FOR-NOTHING*.Originally posted by AtW View Post
*supported by the FTSE 100Comment
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None of these EU leaders are stupid, and they're fully abreast of UK politics. Going into this, ham-face was pegged as a committed Europhile and they weren't going to give him anything beyond some PR. If he were a believable Eurosceptic, he might've got more, but the EU is essentially unreformable. The idea that this is part of an ongoing process was immediately quashed by Junker et al. in their separate press conferences, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to hear Schultz making threats in the coming weeks about how this is simply the framework for a deal and how the EU parliament will "fill in the gaps" (read, trash it even further).Originally posted by SueEllen View PostComment
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