Reply to: Cameron in Europe - Good or Crap?

[BlasterBates]

Boris's remarks were quite expensive:

Pound Falls Most in 11 Months as Johnson Backs ‘Brexit’ Campaign - Bloomberg Business

A few billion got wiped off everyone's assets.

I think we could be going EUR 1.1 if there's a Brexit

[clearedforlanding]

That clownish persona is no less carefully cultivated than Cameron's PR fakery.

I think he's made a judgement that, on balance, it serves both his political ambitions and his more principled instincts. It was, afterall, a pathetically unambitious renegotiation.

Exactly, behind the public character, Boris is as sharp as a razor. I had the pleasure of meeting him at a sponsorship do at the Olympics. As soon as the cameras are not there he transforms into an eloquent, persuasive, tactical monster. Even you know he is lying to you, you still end up believing him - uncanny. - When he is not swearing like a trooper and dressed as a tramp.

Cameron is not even in his league of calculated public persona. I would compare him more to Trump.

I would not underestimate Boris for a second.

[AtW]

I think he's made a judgement that, on balance, it serves both his political ambitions and his more principled instincts. It was, afterall, a pathetically unambitious renegotiation.

+100

He made the decision for himself and nothing else - same goes for my local MP Gisela - she ain't getting any of my money even if it makes Waldork happy

[jamesbrown]

I suspect the reason he's changed camps, had little trysts with other senior conservatives is that he's going for the leadership and they've promised to back him. for some strange reason, the British public like him, possibly more of 'in a clown way' hopefully then 'in a serious politician way' which is what I think other Tories think of him.

That clownish persona is no less carefully cultivated than Cameron's PR fakery.

I think he's made a judgement that, on balance, it serves both his political ambitions and his more principled instincts. It was, afterall, a pathetically unambitious renegotiation.

[xoggoth]

I quite like him cos I like silly people but as for policy, Boris Island, amnesty for illegals, pro Turkey in EU... Hmmm,

[darmstadt]

Lot worse around but I really have no idea why his opinion should be deemed so important.

I suspect the reason he's changed camps, had little trysts with other senior conservatives is that he's going for the leadership and they've promised to back him. for some strange reason, the British public like him, possibly more of 'in a clown way' hopefully then 'in a serious politician way' which is what I think other Tories think of him.

[xoggoth]

Here's another haven't got a clue thing from the Houses of Pariiament. (Not same link as above, there's a couple of digits difference in the address)

http://researchbriefings.files.parli...91/SN06091.pdf

Various studies have attempted to quantify the benefit or cost to the UK of its membership of the EU. This is a very difficult exercise and depends on a wide range of assumptions. Estimates vary significantly. For example, a 2005 study by the Institute for Economic Affairs found a cost of between 3% and 4% of GDP while a 2013 study by the CBI found a net benefit of between 4% and 5% of GDP

That would be interesting. What if everyone thought "I really have no idea" and abstained from voting, In zero votes, Out zero votes. What would be the legal situation then?

[xoggoth]

Someone who talks bollocks at every opportunity

Lot worse around but I really have no idea why his opinion should be deemed so important.

[xoggoth]

Interesting thing here from the house of commons:

http://researchbriefings.files.parli...30/SN06730.pdf

To sum up, "nobody really knows", there are so many different things that could happen, but there are a few debunkers of some scares we have seen, eg on tariffs:

The terms of WTO agreements limit the circumstances in which such measures can be applied, and in particular uphold the principle of non-discrimination that would prohibit punitive measures against the UK were it to leave.

[original PM]

Is there a Homeopathic viagra?

X hamster 🐹

Apparently

[darmstadt]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

Someone who talks bollocks at every opportunity:

[FatLazyContractor]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

Is there a Homeopathic viagra?

[xoggoth]

Yer right missus. On both points.

[SueEllen]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent

Should be on a new thread.

The reason why these alternative therapies work is they are basically talking therapies with the placebo effect. Medical doctors don't have time to talk to patients but alternative therapists do. They also don't tend to wear white coats.

[xoggoth]

Totally off topic, but can't resist a chance to annoy aTW!

Homeopathy effective for 0 out of 68 illnesses, study finds | Health News | Lifestyle | The Independent