Cameron in Europe - Good or Crap?

[AtW]

Yeah, versus Corbyn, McGuinness and Sturgeon. Should be fun.

You forgot Camoron and Gidiot...

[jamesbrown]

You forgot Camoron and Gidiot...

Damn.

[Bee]

UK wil stay in EU forever.

Muhahahah.

[SueEllen]

UK wil stay in EU forever.

Muhahahah.

If we all vote "Leave" will you have to go home?

[VectraMan]

Where does a non elected EU Commission and President (s) fit into that? In this country the people can get rid of our leaders every 5 years if we wish. How does that work for the EU?

Much the same as the non-elected UK Cabinet. They're appointed by people that are elected and that satisfies democracy. No democracy holds elections for absolutely every person in any kind of power; to do so would be ludicrous and the public would lose all interest.

The President is elected every 5 years by the parliament, and is answerable to the parliament, all of whom are elected by us. The President and members of the commission also have to be propsed by the Council, i.e. the democratically elected leaders of all the states, and the whole commission has to be approved by the parliament.

This is more democratic than the UK where the PM can be chosen in a back room deal (has happened three times in my lifetime), and with the exception of the PM, cabinet appointments don't need to be approved by anybody democratically elected.

And that's before we even get to the House of Lords. And The Queen.

[Bee]

If we all vote "Leave" will you have to go home?

No, David Cameron is your "boss" and he will convince you to vote YES to EU.

Muhahahhaha

[MicrosoftBob]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

Even if we do vote to leave, we'll have to keep having referendums until we vote the right way

Like Ireland we won't be allowed to leave

[Waldorf]

Much the same as the non-elected UK Cabinet. They're appointed by people that are elected and that satisfies democracy. No democracy holds elections for absolutely every person in any kind of power; to do so would be ludicrous and the public would lose all interest.

The President is elected every 5 years by the parliament, and is answerable to the parliament, all of whom are elected by us. The President and members of the commission also have to be propsed by the Council, i.e. the democratically elected leaders of all the states, and the whole commission has to be approved by the parliament.

This is more democratic than the UK where the PM can be chosen in a back room deal (has happened three times in my lifetime), and with the exception of the PM, cabinet appointments don't need to be approved by anybody democratically elected.

And that's before we even get to the House of Lords. And The Queen.

There is a pretence of democracy in the EU but no one has been asked whether they wanted to pool sovereignty with 27 other countries with the end game being a United States of Europe, let alone the prospect of other countries joining such as Turkey.

I and many others, hopefully a majority, want the UK parliament to be sovereign and for it to decide what rules and laws apply to this country.

I don't know how old you are but the last time someone became Prime Minister after a 'back room' deal was Alec Douglas-Home in 1963. All leaders since have been elected (Brown was unopposed).

I agree with you regards the House of Lords, I would abolish it and have a single chamber. As a monarchist I am happy with The Queen, whose role is nominal anyway.

[clearedforlanding]

Whatever you think of Boris, this is a pretty big deal. Likely to add a few % to Leave, although I still expect an emphatic win for remain:

https://mobile.twitter.com/bbclaurak...23779923304449

What he is doing with this is positioning himself as a successor to Cameron, seizing the moment that Gideot has the lowest approval rating of any MP, despite being the obvious choice by the CP.

Very smart manoeuvre by Boris. He knows perfectly well that the 2 year provision in Section 50 for a member state to exit can be postponed indefinitely following a referendum.

[AtW]

What he is doing with this is positioning himself as a successor to Cameron, seizing the moment that Gideot has the lowest approval rating of any MP, despite being the obvious choice by the CP.

Gidiot got the money, his party members don't dare to open mouth to criticise him for totally non-Tory policies.