Young Western European Muslims in ISIS; what is it all about?

[NotAllThere]

... They are living in tight-nit, closed communities...

"The vast majority of Britain's Bangladeshi and Pakistani communities come from just two relatively small towns - Sylhet in northern Bangladesh and Mirpur in Pakistani Kashmir". (Article in the Times today)

[Mich the Tester]

It should be. F@@k them

Well it isn't easy to revoke citizenship and it never will be, except in the case of another recognised citizenship, so your suggestion can't really gain much traction.

Besides, Britain and Europe supplied these bastards; shouldn't they take responsibility for dealing with them?

[EternalOptimist]

Well it isn't easy to revoke citizenship and it never will be, except in the case of another recognised citizenship, so your suggestion can't really gain much traction.

Besides, Britain and Europe supplied these bastards; shouldn't they take responsibility for dealing with them?

Depends on how soon we can set up relations with the new Caliph(PBUH).
Set up an embassy, transfer citizenship, revoke passports.

There are two stages to this, identifying the gits, having the political will.

[Avalonia]

We better just wring our hands and pontificate on a forum then. our elected representatives need to deal with the enemy within. Not make serious faces then f@@k off back to Cornwall

[EternalOptimist]

We better just wring our hands and pontificate on a forum then. our elected representatives need to deal with the enemy within. Not make serious faces then f@@k off back to Cornwall

we have more powerful sanctions at our disposal than that, we could 'de-friend' them on facebook

[quackhandle]

This ISIS/IS are supposed to be Shia Muslims, which only accounts for 5% (stand to be corrected) of worldwide pop. but Muslims from UK are going to fight for the cause, but they would be Sunnis?

I saw a IS propaganda video yesterday on the news showing a load of Yazidis who have supposed to have "turned" to Islam. When you have a number of Kalashnikovs pointed at you, there isn't much you wouldn't do.

qh

[Mich the Tester]

We better just wring our hands and pontificate on a forum then. our elected representatives need to deal with the enemy within. Not make serious faces then f@@k off back to Cornwall

No, I'm trying to understand what's going on in their lives to turn their minds to this kind of lunacy. There isn't a solution without some understanding of what's going on. Actually I think Daniel Hannan's made some valid points in the Telegraph and some posters here have said some sensible things about 'identity' and young men seeking a cause. I also think that the (understandable IMO) perception of a nihilist culture in the west needs to be tackled by showing young people recent European history to put our liberal attitudes into context as being a response to barbaric acts in the past.

We've been doing the knee jerk things for years, especially since 9/11 and it just doesn't seem to be working. I think western Europeans, and I include western European muslims, have some serious cultural issues we need to tackle. One of them is the failure to show some moral confidence on our own cultures; PC went too far and shot past its original goals. Racism and virulent nationalism need to be countered, but at the same time that can't mean having a wishy washy attitude to our own culture and those who attack it.

[Mich the Tester]

This ISIS/IS are supposed to be Shia Muslims, which only accounts for 5% (stand to be corrected) of worldwide pop. but Muslims from UK are going to fight for the cause, but they would be Sunnis?

qh

If this guy's to be believed that distinction might be a little too subtle for them;

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[Mich the Tester]

Depends on how soon we can set up relations with the new Caliph(PBUH).
Set up an embassy, transfer citizenship, revoke passports.

There are two stages to this, identifying the gits, having the political will.

Are you suggesting recognising IS as a state?

I think that would cause even more trouble. Correction, I'm sure that would cause even more trouble.

[tomtomagain]

Are these the homes of people who immigrated in the 50s, 60s and 70s?

These are the homes of the population of child-bearing age.

But many of the homes are inter-generational.