Young Western European Muslims in ISIS; what is it all about?

[EternalOptimist]

Well Hassan Rouhani seems a bit more sensible than Mahmood Ahmadinnerjacket and seems to want better relations with the rest of the world; he might be helpful seeing as there are now reports of Shias being treated the same way as the Yazidis. On the other hand, maybe he thinks Iran should stay well out of that wasps nest, which would be understandable.

True.
I think I am less inclined to try to understand the kids than you are. In my mind they are murdrous criminals. wannabees


The thought of 500 returning jihadii wannabe wahabis, armed with illegally obtained 600 watt hoovers, demanding that julian Assange be released so that he can take part in the big brother ice bucket challenge, fills me with dread. It does.

[Mich the Tester]

I suspect that would be like burying one's head in the sand though.

Some Iranians feel that way about it, it would seem.

Many Iranians want military to intervene against Isis | World news | theguardian.com

[Mich the Tester]

True.
I think I am less inclined to try to understand the kids than you are. In my mind they are murdrous criminals. wannabees

I don't want to understand them so as to treat them with kid gloves; it's simply to work out how to prevent more kids going that way and what needs to change to prevent it. It might also be worthwhile finding out what their fears are, seeing as they don't seem to be afraid of dying. In my mind, they're murderous criminals, but that doesn't make them less important to understand.

[lilelvis2000]

How long do you think it might be before we ally with Al Queada against ISIS ?

Aren't they funded by the same people? Both are Sunni groups, so I don't get that AQ would attack ISIS.

[Zero Liability]

True.
I think I am less inclined to try to understand the kids than you are. In my mind they are murdrous criminals. wannabees


The thought of 500 returning jihadii wannabe wahabis, armed with illegally obtained 600 watt hoovers, demanding that julian Assange be released so that he can take part in the big brother ice bucket challenge, fills me with dread. It does.

It's the same as the whole Elliot Rodgers thing - there's very understandable reasons why he went nuts (including a father in name alone) but he was still a murderer who took the lives of innocents who had nothing to do with it. It's funny how he also constructed an ideology to deal with his self perception of his failings and I doubt these guys are any different. At a certain point, there is no return, and they are dangerous and beyond cure. Some are probably just run of the mill psychopaths, looking for an excuse, though.

[EternalOptimist]

I don't want to understand them so as to treat them with kid gloves; it's simply to work out how to prevent more kids going that way and what needs to change to prevent it. It might also be worthwhile finding out what their fears are, seeing as they don't seem to be afraid of dying. In my mind, they're murderous criminals, but that doesn't make them less important to understand.

to prevent kids going that way ?

luck
a dad
good role models
fantastic excitement in life
birds
a job
a sense that things are improving
positive mental attitude

[Zero Liability]

to prevent kids going that way ?

luck
a dad
good role models
fantastic excitement in life
birds
a job
a sense that things are improving
positive mental attitude

Second and third are crucial, IMO.

[Mich the Tester]

Aren't they funded by the same people? Both are Sunni groups, so I don't get that AQ would attack ISIS.

Apparently Al Qaida consider ISIS 'too extreme'.

Al-Qaeda disavows any ties with radical Islamist ISIS group in Syria, Iraq - The Washington Post

[Mich the Tester]

to prevent kids going that way ?

luck
a dad
good role models
fantastic excitement in life
birds
a job
a sense that things are improving
positive mental attitude

There's perhaps the one thing that a comfy life in the west doesn't really provide.

[Bunk]

Apparently Al Qaida consider ISIS 'too extreme'.

Al-Qaeda disavows any ties with radical Islamist ISIS group in Syria, Iraq - The Washington Post

Which says a lot