Young Western European Muslims in ISIS; what is it all about?

[Avalonia]

Nobody would advocate understanding Nazis. same thing. They need de nazifying

[Mich the Tester]

Nobody would advocate understanding Nazis. same thing. They need de nazifying

Difficult without first understanding how they became Nazis. I'm pretty sure there were psychologists involved in developing the denazification strategies in post war Germany, and doing so from a scientific understanding of what had driven people to Nazism.

The idea that you can solve a problem without understanding it seems rather strange to me.

[EternalOptimist]

Are you suggesting recognising IS as a state?

I think that would cause even more trouble. Correction, I'm sure that would cause even more trouble.

How long do you think it might be before we ally with Al Queada against ISIS ?

[Mich the Tester]

How long do you think it might be before we ally with Al Queada against ISIS ?

Bizarre thought, but anything's possible.

Perhaps Iran would be a more logical ally; they have a lot to fear from having a Sunni caliphate nextdoor.

[EternalOptimist]

[Flashman]

I wonder how much the British government has spent on 'community cohesion' since the July bombings of 2005?

Ah well keeps someone in a job I suppose.

[original PM]

Difficult without first understanding how they became Nazis. I'm pretty sure there were psychologists involved in developing the denazification strategies in post war Germany, and doing so from a scientific understanding of what had driven people to Nazism.

The idea that you can solve a problem without understanding it seems rather strange to me.

True but maybe the problem is as simple as the fact that these people do not want to get a regular job and live like regular people?

They see more fun, more power, more money and less effort in doing this so they do it.

If it was about culture or other 'social' things then every young Muslim would be doing it but they are not so it comes down to individual choice.

Pretty simplistic but sometimes simple is best

[Mich the Tester]

Well Hassan Rouhani seems a bit more sensible than Mahmood Ahmadinnerjacket ever was and seems to want better relations with the rest of the world; he might be helpful seeing as there are now reports of Shias being treated the same way as the Yazidis. On the other hand, maybe he thinks Iran should stay well out of that wasps nest, which would be understandable.

[Zero Liability]

The only reason that you can't blame their religion is because, as any tool for political control, it has been chopped and changed to suit the purposes of the rulers. So no wonder there's so many conflicting interpretations of this particular set of fanciful myths. However, this refers simply to the texts, and they're just part of the religion; the clerics who interpret them and call for acts of terror against the West are another that can't be ignored.

Part of it is no doubt a reaction to the US' meddling in the Middle East, and there is a lack of confidence or foundation in Western culture and particularly ethics, but it's not like their murderous fantasies are any better or worthy of a moment's consideration. It is a shame that they don't just go to the theocracies they admire and remain there. I'm sure there's multiple psychological drivers behind it and it does highlight issues in how the government deals with this growing problem. I don't think it gives a toss. As long as Westminster, HMRC and the BOE are not targeted, it's not their problem.

[Bunk]

Well Hassan Rouhani seems a bit more sensible than Mahmood Ahmadinnerjacket ever was and seems to want better relations with the rest of the world; he might be helpful seeing as there are now reports of Shias being treated the same way as the Yazidis. On the other hand, maybe he thinks Iran should stay well out of that wasps nest, which would be understandable.

I suspect that would be like burying one's head in the sand though.