Non-Billable Additional hours

[onlyjoe]

I have been offered a contract but I must agree to work additional hours beyond a professional hours for free. I have never been asked to do this before in any of my previous contracts and was wondering if this is a new trend.

The actual wording is:

Services are to be provided on a professional day rate basis which will incorporate reasonable additional hours as required (not billable)

[NotAllThere]

I have been offered a contract but I must agree to work additional hours beyond a professional hours for free. I have never been asked to do this before in any of my previous contracts and was wondering if this is a new trend.

Just say no.

[BlueSharp]

I have seen these before, you're not agreeing to actually do the hours; just agreeing to what the pay rate is if you do the extra hours.

[Paralytic]

I have been offered a contract but I must agree to work additional hours beyond a professional hours for free. I have never been asked to do this before in any of my previous contracts and was wondering if this is a new trend.

Is it that you must agree to work them, or that if you do agree to work them, then you do them for free? They are different things.

You'll need to post the wording, but i suspect its the latter.

[onlyjoe]

Non-billable additional hours

I have seen these before, you're not agreeing to actually do the hours; just agreeing to what the pay rate is if you do the extra hours.

Hi the actual wording is:

Services are to be provided on a professional day rate basis which will incorporate reasonable additional hours as required (not billable)

[zonkkk]

Hi the actual wording is:

Services are to be provided on a professional day rate basis which will incorporate reasonable additional hours as required (not billable)

Reasonable is very vague. If you want to do a bit extra fine, if not just say you are not available to do overtime, when asked.

It's just contract talk. It all comes down to the relationship you develop with the end client, and whoever signs your timesheets.

I wouldn't sweat over it.

[PerfectStorm]

A professional day doesn't have set hours, so it can't have additional ones, I would've thought.

Do you get your contracts reviewed? QDOS probably would've got rid of that. If not, put the amendment in with their suggestions.

[northernladuk]

Hi the actual wording is:

Services are to be provided on a professional day rate basis which will incorporate reasonable additional hours as required (not billable)

So, how you take this depends on what camp you are in. A professional working day, to me, means you do what needs to be done. Sometimes it's more, sometimes it's less. As a professional you flex to suit.

Now if you are a 9 to 5'er and won't do a minute over then you aren't going to like this. I imagine Pyschocandy will be on in a minute with his tales of the client taking the piss and asking him to stay and do a bit extra work because the pressure is on.

To me, it means you do what you need to. Sometimes you put a bit more in but conversely it means you've got the flexibility to leave earlier when there isn't so much to do or when it suits.

To complete cynic it could be a red flag you'll be asked to do a host of extra hours on a regular basis and generally have the piss taken out of you. It can happen as PC will no doubt attest. That sentence, however, describes how every single on of my gigs has panned out and it's worked perfectly for me. I think the fact they've put 'additional hours' in the description is what get's peoples feathers ruffled when in reality we've all done it without question when it's not in black and white if that makes sense.

A professional day doesn't have set hours, so it can't have additional ones, I would've thought.

Eh? Surely if it doesn't have set hours it means it CAN have additional. Set hours means you can't. You got that the wrong way around?

Why get rid of it? It's better for IR35 to have it in rather than set hours and really it doesn't make any difference what they put on the contract, it's what the client wants so you'll have to do some digging at interview time.

[ladymuck]

Some days I do feck all, this week I've just completed the third 10 hour day in a row. I am in agreement with NLUK that this isn't really an issue unless you make it one. It's probably an honest assessment that sometimes they're going to need a bit more time.

It properly becomes an issue if it happens every day.

[cosmic]

I'm currently local. In for 7am out for 2.30pm. Was a 3 month contract but ended up 1.5 years finishing next month.

I do work when in, No fiddling about and on odd times work remotely for 1 or two hours extra.

For me I run my own business. No one can tell me what hours I can work if i need to do more and where i can work as that's my business call not clients. When I do work though I work flat out without wasting half day talking to others like permies do. I'm in for a job with set project timescales to complete by.