Moving from Test Management to Project Management!!!

[Darren_Test]

The OP has pissed off all the agencies in his skill set?

Not all, did that to at least 4-5 agencies.

[Darren_Test]

I'm also a test manager, and I also see PMP Certs as useful, but to augment my profile for test management roles - in other words, by approaching test management as a sub-project.

It doesn't seem to have hurt, I finished a role last Friday and start a new one Monday. Funnily enough though the interviews were about my experience, and not my certs.

I know PMP may not help in interview. But it will help to pass first hurdle - agencies.

[northernladuk]

I know PMP may not help in interview. But it will help to pass first hurdle - agencies.

I doubt that.

[vwdan]

I just did a quick count of jobs I applied in June (Apply.online@apps email), I have to say it comes ~500. So I am not sitting idle.

Jeez - are you getting calls and interviews? I've just done a search and I've applied to about 40 Jobserve roles since the start of 2014. And I mostly do short term projects!

Maybe you need to look closer at your CV / Covering Letter?

[original PM]

Agile is the issue here then

Proper Agile will have embedded SME's who will be a part of writing the story and defining the acceptance criteria - which is what is then tested against.

Add in a proper desktop demo and generally testing is successful - mainly because is is done in distinct bite size chunks.

Compare that with waterfall where you chuck 8/10- months worth of development at a bunch of keyboard monkeys who neither know nor care what your business does and will simply apply a test and tick a box without understanding the concept and you can see why that may not have a huge success rate.

[MrMarkyMark]

Proper Agile will have embedded SME's who will be a part of writing the story and defining the acceptance criteria - which is what is then tested against.

Add in a proper desktop demo and generally testing is successful - mainly because is is done in distinct bite size chunks.

Compare that with waterfall where you chuck 8/10- months worth of development at a bunch of keyboard monkeys who neither know nor care what your business does and will simply apply a test and tick a box without understanding the concept and you can see why that may not have a huge success rate.

There are a lot more sophisticated ways of testing now.
Automation and frameworks are becoming a big thing and lots of new software to support.

My eyes have been opened somewhat actually.

[northernladuk]

Jeez - are you getting calls and interviews? I've just done a search and I've applied to about 40 Jobserve roles since the start of 2014. And I mostly do short term projects!

Maybe you need to look closer at your CV / Covering Letter?

Absolutely this. The whole thread smacks that the market isn't the main problem....

[original PM]

There are a lot more sophisticated ways of testing now.
Automation and frameworks are becoming a big thing and lots of new software to support.

My eyes have been opened somewhat actually.

Indeed, mine too, we now have a lot of code driven testing etc...

But testing new functionality, for me anyway, always needs an intelligent user who understands the context of the change.

[fatJock]

500 applications in one month? WTF.

[eek]

Indeed, mine too, we now have a lot of code driven testing etc...

But testing new functionality, for me anyway, always needs an intelligent user who understands the context of the change.

A lot of testing is ensuring the new functionality hasn't broken existing functionality and that can be automated...