Reply to: Moving from Test Management to Project Management!!!

[SueEllen]

Wow! Using JS as a barometer! Let's see, excluding Sunday that 22 test manager roles in 6 days. Give or take that's 3 and a bit roles a day. Presumably they are not all the same role advertised across a numbe rof agents?

And how many applicant do you think they might get for each role?

I can see now why you struggle so much and that's without telling you that there are many niches within 'testing.' Oh, I guess I just did tell you!

As I said, a number of agents have said they havent had many testing roles in the last few months.

Good to see sue ellen hitting the gin and speaking from personal experience again though.

So you don't make person connections with people then?

Why do you think they choose you at the same rate as X over there whose CV to them looks the same?

[meridian]

Indeed but the way the OP is talking there is nothing out there and he is being forced to move skillet, which hasn't sunken in to him he can't easily as a contractor.

This.

If OP can't get past an agent for a test management niche, then how on earth does he expect to move into a completely new discipline with no experience?

[northernladuk]

Wow! Using JS as a barometer! Let's see, excluding Sunday that 22 test manager roles in 6 days. Give or take that's 3 and a bit roles a day. Presumably they are not all the same role advertised across a numbe rof agents?

And how many applicant do you think they might get for each role?

I can see now why you struggle so much and that's without telling you that there are many niches within 'testing.' Oh, I guess I just did tell you!

As I said, a number of agents have said they havent had many testing roles in the last few months.

Good to see sue ellen hitting the gin and speaking from personal experience again though.

Indeed but the way the OP is talking there is nothing out there and he is being forced to move skillet, which hasn't sunken in to him he can't easily as a contractor.

[fatJock]

I had stopped reading this pages ago assuming it was a piss take.

Alarmingly it appears not to be. I wonder how some folks manage to log on here at times never mind ask questions ....

[washed up contractor]

Jobserve shows 22 odd test manager roles posted in the last 7 day. Even more if you are willing to take a test analyst role. Doesn't seem to be that dry? What am I missing?

Wow! Using JS as a barometer! Let's see, excluding Sunday that 22 test manager roles in 6 days. Give or take that's 3 and a bit roles a day. Presumably they are not all the same role advertised across a numbe rof agents?

And how many applicant do you think they might get for each role?

I can see now why you struggle so much and that's without telling you that there are many niches within 'testing.' Oh, I guess I just did tell you!

As I said, a number of agents have said they havent had many testing roles in the last few months.

Good to see sue ellen hitting the gin and speaking from personal experience again though.

[kaiser78]

Today I contacted couple of them, called last agency as well. thanks.

Has it taken a 7 page thread for you to do this ??

[Darren_Test]

How many of the agencies/consultancies that you have worked through previously have you spoken to (picked up the phone and actually talked to, not emailed) in the last 2 months?

Today I contacted couple of them, called last agency as well. thanks.

[northernladuk]

Ohh.. just to be clear I didn't bonded to them for 5 continuous years. When ever i finished a role moved on and took roles with other agencies, gone back and forth. I didn't work more than 1.5 years continuously with them. In my CV all roles are shown separately with client name.

Ah okies.

[WTFH]

How many of the agencies/consultancies that you have worked through previously have you spoken to (picked up the phone and actually talked to, not emailed) in the last 2 months?

[Darren_Test]

It's not like any other contract really. You've been taken on to do a gig. That should have been detailed in your schedule to deliver x services for Y client of consultancy and then you are done. At the very least you should have had a new schedule of work detailing each piece of work.

I suspect you've had a contract to be a tester for the consultancy. They've then moved you on to whatever clients they deem fit which is clear D&C.... and for 5 - 6 years? That's a proper nightmare IR35 situation if I've seen one. Sounds much more like employment than a short term gig and there is part and parcel on top of all that.

Not the best situation by a long stretch.

I could be completely wrong and you've got it detailed to the n'th degree but looking at this thread I doubt it.

Ohh.. just to be clear I didn't bonded to them for 5 continuous years. When ever i finished a role moved on and took roles with other agencies, gone back and forth. I didn't work more than 1.5 years continuously with them. In my CV all roles are shown separately with client name.

[northernladuk]

Just like any other contract except those guys are sole suppliers for many Telcos no advertising in Job boards. So after my interview and contract with them (6/7 years ago) never had to go though interviews again with them or end clients for the next 5 contracts I did with them.

It's not like any other contract really. You've been taken on to do a gig. That should have been detailed in your schedule to deliver x services for Y client of consultancy and then you are done. At the very least you should have had a new schedule of work detailing each piece of work.

I suspect you've had a contract to be a tester for the consultancy. They've then moved you on to whatever clients they deem fit which is clear D&C.... and for 5 - 6 years? That's a proper nightmare IR35 situation if I've seen one. Sounds much more like employment than a short term gig and there is part and parcel on top of all that.

Not the best situation by a long stretch.

I could be completely wrong and you've got it detailed to the n'th degree but looking at this thread I doubt it.

[Darren_Test]

You mean like their permies do? I hope you've got your IPSE+ membership.

Just like any other contract except those guys are sole suppliers for many Telcos no advertising in Job boards. So after my interview and contract with them (6/7 years ago) never had to go though interviews again with them or end clients for the next 5 contracts I did with them.

[northernladuk]

I am contracting more than 10 years.
Of that 5+ years I worked for same agency/managed service company with different clients though not continuously.

You mean like their permies do? I hope you've got your IPSE+ membership.

[SueEllen]

I am contracting more than 10 years.
Of that 5+ years I worked for same agency/managed service company with different clients though not continuously.

That means you should have a few agents and agencies who know you exist. Go through your emails and get in touch with them to tell them you are available.

Then get of your behind and do some face to face networking.

In the meantime get on with that DIY project/ exercise regime/thing you wanted to learn/whatever you couldn't do while in your contract.

[eek]

^^This

You start spamming agents then when even if the role is a good fit they will never see your emails as the system with auto-reject / ignore you

FTFY