State of the Market

[SussexSeagull]

I worked with them on a project about 18 years ago and while individually most of them were perfectly nice people I did sometimes feel like I was taking part in a particularly cringy episode of The Apprentice at times.

[avonleigh]

I agree. That model works.

10 eager, hungry, graduates working hard to deliver for the company means two things, one the solution is cheap. And two the customer is happy.

There is massive incentive for each graduate to do well, it means promotion to the next stage, which is more money and responsibilities and so on.

The grads also learn loads in a short period of time including being customer facing and handling difficult problems in an intense busy environment. The competition from within is also intense. Constantly watching your own and other competitors (other grads) to ensure that promotion was yours.

I never wanted to be a manager or anything and was quite happy being a developer. Which none of the management understood.

Accenture project managers are very, very good. Since they promote from within and coming from the development background know how things work. They are driven by success, which is what I love.

On the other hand, resident project managers, with long established careers at organisations tend not to be particually motivated. They have seen it all before with the holding company and are generally not as eager or excited to deliver.

Probably why Accenture exist TBF. They come in build the solution and then leave, well at least they are supposed to. Usually what happens is that once ACN get in, they never leave

Disagree completely. Worked alongside Accenture and their management was terrible and so were most of the developers. Not the worst consultancy though, that goes to Fujitsu in my opinion. Worked alongside most if not all the bigger consultancies. Have to say Deloitte stand above the rest by quite a margin.

[jamesbrown]

I worked with them on a project about 18 years ago and while individually most of them were perfectly nice people I did sometimes feel like I was taking part in a particularly cringy episode of The Apprentice at times.

So true.

[sadkingbilly]

Accenture project managers are very, very good.

Arthur's Androids produce reams of powerpoint slides and spreadsheets to convince idiot client 'Managers' that they're useful.
Staffed by chinless feckwits called hermione and tarquin, with degrees in art history, and not a clue about the real world.
as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I have had to redo tons of engineering in various places because of this, for which i am truly grateful*.

*for the premium rates I charged to fix it.

[BlueSharp]

Arthur's Androids produce reams of powerpoint slides and spreadsheets to convince idiot client 'Managers' that they're useful.
Staffed by chinless feckwits called hermione and tarquin, with degrees in art history, and not a clue about the real world.
as much use as a chocolate teapot.
I have had to redo tons of engineering in various places because of this, for which i am truly grateful*.

*for the premium rates I charged to fix it.

Now replaced by AI

[sadkingbilly]

Algorythmic Interference?

[SchumiStars]

Went cycling and was thinking how are companies keeping their websites updated? Clearly that's the front for them and nothing seems out of date, so clearly, still investing in keeping them fresh.

Front end devs, javascript, react, angular. And again very little work that is being advertised.

[Fraidycat]

Went cycling and was thinking how are companies keeping their websites updated? Clearly that's the front for them and nothing seems out of date, so clearly, still investing in keeping them fresh.

Front end devs, javascript, react, angular. And again very little work that is being advertised.

Estimates vary but there are still about 1.5 to 2million people employed in IT jobs.

Those 2million are still working on updating websites etc.

Some sources say the sector has shrunk by 100K over the last three years:

eg there is a popup that blocks the graph, but you can still make out the drop on this site:

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...tion-workforce.

[SussexSeagull]

It's still a large industry but as that graph (I think) says it is in decline and I think there is little movement with people changing jobs.

[ladymuck]

Went cycling and was thinking how are companies keeping their websites updated? Clearly that's the front for them and nothing seems out of date, so clearly, still investing in keeping them fresh.

Front end devs, javascript, react, angular. And again very little work that is being advertised.

Interestingly, I was on a call last week with one of the regional leads for ClientCo. They have a product launching and the marketing lead was saying that building a website for the product would have a poor ROI, based on their experience of other product launches. This is a pharmaceutical product, which you'd expect to have a whole heap of marketing behind it. However, the lead was saying that in their country the rules say that the technical detail has to be access controlled to registered doctors (i.e. not publicly accessible) and, once they've visited the site and downloaded the fact sheet and watched the instructional video, there is no reason for them to return unless you spend a lot of time and money trying to think up new things to say about the product.

So they're going old school with the launch and are posting out information! Interested doctors can then contact their local sales rep for the technical info.