State of the Market

[BlasterBates]

I am saying if IT work is going to be outsourced anyway UK based companies should be forced to relocate as they appear to want the dual benefits of staying in the UK paying minimal corporation tax & enjoying a high standard of living whilst employing IT resource on minimal pay which undermines the UK born IT resource!

Why should UK based companies be allowed to get the benefits of employing non UK IT resource locally AND all the other benefits of being UK based if they are not going to support the UK economy by hiring British IT workers?!

As for fruit picking like so many I would not want to be forced to pay the £100 or so a week the Farmers want for accommodation to pick THEIR produce!

The TRUE reason they do not wish to hire British born workers!

Number of jobs and salaries rising. Outsourcing is not a problem. Contractors need to start learning about economics, if they did they would realise that outsourcing creates new better opportunities.

UK – Tech sector is fastest-growing for jobs and salary: Reed Recruitment

Outsourcing has been going on since the 1990's.

The trouble is not outsourcing but stick-in-the-mud contractors that want to spend 30 years working on the same piece of cobol code.

[ContractorHardman]

Number of jobs and salaries rising. Outsourcing is not a problem. Contractors need to start learning about economics, if they did they would realise that outsourcing creates new better opportunities.

UK – Tech sector is fastest-growing for jobs and salary: Reed Recruitment

Outsourcing has been going on since the 1990's.

The trouble is not outsourcing but stick-in-the-mud contractors that want to spend 30 years working on the same piece of cobol code.

I have found with IT teams I have worked with they split their IT teams with the UK and an outsourced country. The IT Dev team in the UK does all the complex and glamour stuff whilst the outsource team picks up the grunt work. These teams work best as they have oversight and the ability to fix problems produced by the outsource team along with guiding them.

It means over paid IT Professionals who do grunt work are cut from the budget and those who can do it for cheaper on the outsource are given the task. It doesn't always work out. The resource I once had was never at his desk. I think he got fired.

[BlasterBates]

I have found with IT teams I have worked with they split their IT teams with the UK and an outsourced country. The IT Dev team in the UK does all the complex and glamour stuff whilst the outsource team picks up the grunt work. These teams work best as they have oversight and the ability to fix problems produced by the outsource team along with guiding them.

It means over paid IT Professionals who do grunt work are cut from the budget and those who can do it for cheaper on the outsource are given the task. It doesn't always work out. The resource I once had was never at his desk. I think he got fired.

I worked for a go-ahead Internet co. and this was precisely how it worked. Even though we were offshoring we were expanding the business, no-one was replaced but as you say the "grunt" work disappeared and the salaries went up and up.

[Shackattack]

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Stop watching the BBC

This was a direct quote, doesn't matter if it's the BBC, Fox, the bloke in the pub which it wasn't. Do you have a point or is your brain trying to engage itself.

[Shackattack]

I worked for a go-ahead Internet co. and this was precisely how it worked. Even though we were offshoring we were expanding the business, no-one was replaced but as you say the "grunt" work disappeared and the salaries went up and up.

All the big 5 run and outsourcing model, it works a lot of the time if you throw money at the problem, and for any of the big 5, and I mean a lot of money, rarely have I seen it work from a cost and benefit point of view.

The best model is hands down internal teams coupled with strong company culture and well organised structured agile delivery models, the nuances of this are many and varied.

The next best model is on shore suppliers, still comes with a host of problems, costs and delivery issues.

All of the above need good experienced contractors to drive the businesses objectives.

If the Tories continue to push new laws aimed at transfering taxes and power to the super rich, demand is going to fall, I suspect it already is. It's very narrow minded and short term and serves absolutely no one.

[PCTNN]

This week has started strong.

The local market is just garbage but I've received a couple of emails about 3-6 months fully remote roles.

Would be nice if this remote roles trend kept going forever so I can go live in the woods

[GigiBronz]

All the big 5 run and outsourcing model, it works a lot of the time if you throw money at the problem, and for any of the big 5, and I mean a lot of money, rarely have I seen it work from a cost and benefit point of view.

The best model is hands down internal teams coupled with strong company culture and well organised structured agile delivery models, the nuances of this are many and varied.

The next best model is on shore suppliers, still comes with a host of problems, costs and delivery issues.

All of the above need good experienced contractors to drive the businesses objectives.

If the Tories continue to push new laws aimed at transfering taxes and power to the super rich, demand is going to fall, I suspect it already is. It's very narrow minded and short term and serves absolutely no one.

I think people should start voting more with their feet.
I know it is difficult when you have kids, partner with local job, dogs etc. but people should learn to live somewhere else as well.
You can keep a base in Spain, Portugal, Czech Republic and live with half the expenses then return only on necessity. Maybe a more modest abode here.
Wfh should be pushed more and maybe better balance could be stricken.

No matter what people say, it is not free market, you cannot drive a negotiation well since it is a asymmetrical relationship where employer holds all the cards.
And employees are on the other hand swimming in debt and pushed around from every corner.
If you have 30y mortgage, wife bosses you around, kids are little c**** and milking you dry. Well... you are set to fail each and every negotiation, sir.

People will have to adapt to the realities of globalisation.

Also if Brexit goes through, and most likely it will. People will be stripped of freedoms (to work abroad+ health insurance). That means a more constrained environment in Britain - beneficial for business.
Anyone that has seen the writing on the wall, has probably considered other options.

I think as well it is dangerous mentally for someone to be constrained, to feel they don't have another choice than go through a miserable existence just to afford to live.
But hey, maybe I have grown in a different culture where those indentured servitude was slowly embedded into my brain and any impulse of rebellion quickly repressed.
Whether it is good or bad I do not know yet.

[elsergiovolador]

If the Tories continue to push new laws aimed at transfering taxes and power to the super rich, demand is going to fall, I suspect it already is. It's very narrow minded and short term and serves absolutely no one.

It will become very expensive for companies to hire local talent and at the same time not a lot of people will want to work for a low rate and we will have the same situation as with the fruit picking. We will have people locally perfectly able to harvest and farmers crying their fields are left to rot. This is where Chancellor comes in promising shipments of cheap workforce that will address the demand for skill in IT (as he knows right people apparently ). We will have planes of IT specialists flown in, just like they are flying in the fruit pickers.

[BlasterBates]

This week has started strong.

The local market is just garbage but I've received a couple of emails about 3-6 months fully remote roles.

Would be nice if this remote roles trend kept going forever so I can go live in the woods

here's hoping, if our office opens up, I'm looking for a pure remote role.

[BigJohn]

Tough times on this search:

- Phones not ringing
- My network will keep an eye out but unsure of their own roles
- Job boards have roles but I’m 1:3000
- It’s a recruiters market, they’re ignoring the direct email/LinkedIn approach and no office phones to reach them either. Just saw one recruiter that ghosted me post that he is being made redundant