Brexit Is Costing the UK £100 Billion a Year in Lost Output

[b0redom]

Brexit wasn't just about the finacial aspect. Granted it's been a bit of a mess etc but they underlying concept was to take back our sovereignty, and national idendty bring with it the ability to create our own laws and the such away from the EU.

I've seen lots of people say this, but no one seems to be able to articulate specifically which laws they want creating that couldn't be created/changed under the EU or a single delivered positive since leaving.

[malvolio]

I've seen lots of people say this, but no one seems to be able to articulate specifically which laws they want creating that couldn't be created/changed under the EU or a single delivered positive since leaving.

There's 4000-odd to choose from. Quite a few of them can simply be replaced by the ones we already had. Quite of lot of regulatory-related laws are actually inferior to what we already had, and others are to support things like inefficient farming practices that we don't suffer from.

But the point is not so much the stupid laws as the regaining of our own ability to set them all by ourselves to suit the UK's needs and not having to worry about those of Luxembourg or Portugal. For one glaring example, the UK government was forced to consider tenders from across the EU and cannot subsidise UK companies to improve their offering (one rule regularly ignored by France, for example). That one is still on the statute books.

[WTFH]

There's 4000-odd to choose from. Quite a few of them can simply be replaced by the ones we already had. Quite of lot of regulatory-related laws are actually inferior to what we already had…

But you can’t name any of them, and we could still set our own laws anyway, just our government was too lazy to do so.

[NotAllThere]

Black passports made abroad

I've got one. It really is blue.

[malvolio]

But you can’t name any of them,

I just did.

[WTFH]

I just did.

What, the one about having a free market economy where you don’t hamper competition? You’re saying the UK should prevent competition and allow “support” to mean the government can pay its friends to deliver contracts.

I’m surprised you haven’t been talking about the sign in the dartford tunnel or the lawnmower insurance red herring.

Apart from not liking a free market, what other laws? The one where pint glasses had a crown on them and pint lines, or maybe where all our speed limits are in km/h because we had no autonomy?

[b0redom]

There's 4000-odd to choose from. Quite a few of them can simply be replaced by the ones we already had. Quite of lot of regulatory-related laws are actually inferior to what we already had, and others are to support things like inefficient farming practices that we don't suffer from.

So what you're saying is that there's no advantage of moving away from the EU as our laws are already more prescriptive. OK fair enough.

But the point is not so much the stupid laws as the regaining of our own ability to set them all by ourselves to suit the UK's needs and not having to worry about those of Luxembourg or Portugal.

Again, such as?

For one glaring example, the UK government was forced to consider tenders from across the EU and cannot subsidise UK companies to improve their offering (one rule regularly ignored by France, for example). That one is still on the statute books.

I'm not sure I understand. If it's not followed by France, it's not a rule right?

I was actually working for on the RBS account for the Williams & Glynn spin off when the Brexit vote happened. I was immediately terminated (along with everyone else from the vendor). So I get that sometimes short term government support is useful. Couldn't the Government just step in a buy them in the event that a business is commercially unviable, but useful for the economy and run it as a service? How does it work with EDF etc?

[DealorNoDeal]

...no one seems to be able to articulate...a single delivered positive since leaving.

Here's one.

It's easier to spot c***s you wouldn't want in your life.

For me, that's anyone who comes across like Farage/Rees-Mogg/Cummins/Johnson/Trump.

There's a handful of them on this site.

[malvolio]

All right, I give up and bow to your collective generic wisdom. You are all correct, Brexit was and is a continuing disaster and the country is totally buggered for all eternity because some of our most important elected politicians are in the pay of the Russians. Or the trade unions, but of course we don't talk about them. Oh and Ukraine, the world energy crisis and Covid never happened and we didn't do anything about them either.

I await the glorious day when the ever-adaptable Starmer's Labour take over next year and put everything to rights - according to their own paymasters view of course, which means most of you will be out of a job. Meanwhile I'm off to Mumsnet, there's far more rational discussion over there.

[Snooky]

Reds under the Beds died out in the 60s - or hadn't you noticed? These days we know exactly who the bad guys are.

And this is why Russian agents are detained before they can carry out their dastardly attempts to poison people in the UK with the likes of polonium or novichok. Gotcha.