Simple solution to the Brexit problem - stay in Europe AND cancel Freedom of Movement

[original PM]

Remember though that this directive only applies to EU citizens, not non-EU of which there are more migrants in the UK than EU migrants....

Yeah so they arrive in Greece, get EU citizenship and then can go anywhere.

We have been here before.

Does anyone have any links to the eu threatening Poland for not allowing any migrants?

You vill obey ze rules or vi vill invade.

[NotAllThere]

How do you explain the need to apply for a residency permit in addition to a work permit, both usually limited to 1 year? (There are quite a few to choose from, but then you knew that). Freedom of movement, and the ability to apply for a permit with very stringent restrictions, are not the same thing. Put me out of my misery and tell me which bits of this I got wrong.

If you have a residency permit and you're from the EU, that is your work permit. You have three months to get a job. To get a residency/work permit, the job must pay above a certain limit, and you must have a Swiss address. There are no other restrictions.

For non-EU there are residency permits that do not permit work (e.g. trailing spouses, asylum seekers). An EU spouse might get one of these, but if they get a job, it's automatically converted. No restrictions at all. For non-EU, the residency/work permit may be linked to their employer. Lose your job? You've got 3 months to leave the country.

There are residency permits that allow work, but only if your employer can demonstrate they couldn't find a Swiss nor an EU citizen.

Yeah so they arrive in Greece, get EU citizenship and then can go anywhere.

We have been here before. .

To get EU citizenship (outside the UK), requires at least 5 years continuous legal residence, certified fluency in the local language and often knowledge of the country's history and political system, and freedom from debts. Getting EU citizenship is not just a matter of sending in an application form.

[darmstadt]

More old propaganda bollocks from the anti-foreigner Leavers

FTFY

[Mordac]

If you have a residency permit and you're from the EU, that is your work permit. You have three months to get a job. To get a residency/work permit, the job must pay above a certain limit, and you must have a Swiss address. There are no other restrictions.

For non-EU there are residency permits that do not permit work (e.g. trailing spouses, asylum seekers). An EU spouse might get one of these, but if they get a job, it's automatically converted. No restrictions at all. For non-EU, the residency/work permit may be linked to their employer. Lose your job? You've got 3 months to leave the country.

There are residency permits that allow work, but only if your employer can demonstrate they couldn't find a Swiss nor an EU citizen.

Thanks for clarifying that NAT.

[sasguru]

Thanks for clarifying that NAT.

I'm glad you finally understand that you can be within Schengen and be bound by EU FoM rules, while still being, shall we say, pragmatic about who you let in.
There used to be a time when the British were the quintessential pragmatic people but poor education has led to too many being ideological.

[northernladyuk]

Yeah so they arrive in Greece, get EU citizenship and then can go anywhere.

We have been here before.

Does anyone have any links to the eu threatening Poland for not allowing any migrants?

You vill obey ze rules or vi vill invade.

Who is being given Greek citizenship in mass numbers? It isn't an easy process. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_nationality_law

[eek]

The simple solution would have been for Labour back in 2007 to implement the proposed changes that made our benefits system contribution based rather than a free for all.

Then Eastern Europeans wouldn't then be getting their wages topped up with benefits as soon as they arrived in the country and would instead have had to both work here for 5 years before claiming...

[Uncle Albert]

There used to be a time when the British were the quintessential pragmatic people but poor education has led to too many being ideological.

This book was mentioned on Radio 4 this morning: https://profilebooks.com/the-stupidity-paradox.html

Essential reading for any non cretins.

[Mordac]

Does anyone have any links to the eu threatening Poland for not allowing any migrants?

You vill obey ze rules or vi vill invade.

It does appear to be correct that Poland refuses to admit asylum seekers, but the article below specifically criticises the EU for not speaking out against the Polish Government:

The European Commission has failed to speak publicly about Poland’s denial of access to asylum procedures at its border with Belarus. The EU is seeking to step up migration cooperation with Belarus. An October 2016 EU-Belarus “mobility partnership” agreement includes “enhance[d] operational cooperation on return” of third country nationals and combating irregular migration as priorities. The commission plans to provide Belarus €7 million in financial support to build open and closed reception facilities for irregular migrants as part of a wider deal on migration cooperation including a future readmission agreement. Poland has no bilateral readmission agreement with Belarus.

“The Commission’s failure to call out Poland’s denial of access to asylum at its border with Belarus makes the prospect of EU migration cooperation with Belarus deeply worrying,” Gall said. “The Commission should press Warsaw to halt summary returns to Belarus and ensure that all asylum seekers approaching Poland’s border can lodge their claims and have them decided in a fair way. And it should make sure that its migration cooperation with Belarus does not lead to asylum seekers being denied access to protection.”

Full text below (From Human Rights Watch)

https://www.hrw.org/news/2017/03/01/...blocked-border

[SueEllen]

The simple solution would have been for Labour back in 2007 to implement the proposed changes that made our benefits system contribution based rather than a free for all.

Then Eastern Europeans wouldn't then be getting their wages topped up with benefits as soon as they arrived in the country and would instead have had to both work here for 5 years before claiming...

The Tories threatened to do that and were going to make a pigs ear of it. They stated they couldn't do it to Eastern Europeans without doing it to British citizens.

However they forgot that many systems have a residency requirement as well so if you were educated here before the age of 16 you qualify. That way those in the care system or are disabled and have lived here all their lives aren't made destitute.