Simple solution to the Brexit problem - stay in Europe AND cancel Freedom of Movement

[BlasterBates]

As you have demonstrated, they don't. Certainly not to the extent that EU member states have to.

I was in Switzerland, they do.

[sasguru]

I was in Switzerland, they do.

He'll get there in the end. Maybe.

[SueEllen]

I was in Switzerland, they do.

He's just thick.

He doesn't realise every European country has worked out how to chuck out people who beg etc after 3 months who come from another EU country except the British under FOM rules..

Even worse the last Home Secretary who could have implemented this to scupper the referendum was....

[darmstadt]

They're in denial ...

[NotAllThere]

OK (a) allows low paid workers - but Switzerland manages to make it impossible, so could we.

Switzerland isn't in the EU. That's how they "make it impossible".

Ostensibly, they have to abide by FoM, you ignorant cretin.
That's the point.

As you have demonstrated, they don't. Certainly not to the extent that EU member states have to.

I was in Switzerland, they do.

I live in Switzerland. You cannot work here if your income is below a certain limit, for more than three months, unless you meet certain criteria (like being a student for a low paid internship). However, contrary to what Mordac thinks, this is in line with EU law.

The reason the UK haven't done this, is because, unlike the rest of Europe, whose legal system is derived from the Napoleonic code, there is no requirement for people moving into a new town or village, to register with the local authorities. In the UK, there's no realistic way of policing it, without introducing some form of obligatory ID card, and/or making people register where they live. And that's not going to happen because "it's not British".

Yes, I know... electoral register, driving licence et. al. But it really isn't the same as having to carry ID around with you, demonstrating your right to be where you are.

[BrilloPad]

The immigration Issue could have been solved easily. Stop non-EU immigration.

DC yet again showing how out of touch he was.

[Mordac]

I was in Switzerland, they do.

How do you explain the need to apply for a residency permit in addition to a work permit, both usually limited to 1 year? (There are quite a few to choose from, but then you knew that). Freedom of movement, and the ability to apply for a permit with very stringent restrictions, are not the same thing. Put me out of my misery and tell me which bits of this I got wrong.

[xoggoth]

As others have said above we could have been stricter on low earners, those claiming benefit or criminals, had we chosen to do so. Our governments are too generous and too ready to implement EU rules that some others ignore.

[SueEllen]

I live in Switzerland. You cannot work here if your income is below a certain limit, for more than three months, unless you meet certain criteria (like being a student for a low paid internship). However, contrary to what Mordac thinks, this is in line with EU law.

The reason the UK haven't done this, is because, unlike the rest of Europe, whose legal system is derived from the Napoleonic code, there is no requirement for people moving into a new town or village, to register with the local authorities. In the UK, there's no realistic way of policing it, without introducing some form of obligatory ID card, and/or making people register where they live. And that's not going to happen because "it's not British".

Yes, I know... electoral register, driving licence et. al. But it really isn't the same as having to carry ID around with you, demonstrating your right to be where you are.

Tony Blair tried to introduce ID cards as he clearly knew he had fecked up.

There was a fight against it which the Tories backed.

[SueEllen]

How do you explain the need to apply for a residency permit in addition to a work permit, both usually limited to 1 year? (There are quite a few to choose from, but then you knew that). Freedom of movement, and the ability to apply for a permit with very stringent restrictions, are not the same thing. Put me out of my misery and tell me which bits of this I got wrong.

If you go to France, Spain, Finland, Austria etc and want to stay more than 3 months you need to register at the local town hall/police station/registration office, say what you are doing in the country and state/prove how you will support yourself.

If you don't you can be fined or chucked out of the country.

If you don't have a means to support yourself and you aren't married/have a long term partner who will support you, then you have to leave the country after 3 months for a period of time. This period can be as little as 24 hours. If you don't then you can be chucked out. Though most people aren't chucked out like Sarkozy chucked out the Roma they leave voluntary.