Orange Genie - Skimming allegations

[Paralytic]

For anyone following this, the Orange Genie CEO was recently interviewed by IWORK regarding the recent goings on at the company. Link below.

Please do take into account this same guy has been working for both Orange Genie and Growth Pro (the benefits provider to Orange Genie) for several years. Nothing underhand, though, right?



https://iwork.co.uk/news/orange-geni...vely-to-iwork/

So, basically, "we could get away with it, so we did it".

Anyone staying with OG after being treated with such contempt is a mug.

[northernladuk]

For anyone following this, the Orange Genie CEO was recently interviewed by IWORK regarding the recent goings on at the company. Link below.

Please do take into account this same guy has been working for both Orange Genie and Growth Pro (the benefits provider to Orange Genie) for several years. Nothing underhand, though, right?



https://iwork.co.uk/news/orange-geni...vely-to-iwork/

Sounds like a very tense interview looking at some of that transcript

Why didn’t you give umbrella employees the opportunity to opt out?

Opt out? That would suggest that this is a fee that we’re charging the employee, and as we’ve already explained, it isn’t.

Not a response you'd expect in an interview.

[eek]

Sounds like a very tense interview looking at some of that transcript



Not a response you'd expect in an interview.

He’s basically saying that he regards the money the umbrella receives as his company’s to do with as he and his company desires.

[cojak]

My response to that article was to laugh…

[eek]

So we now have another article regarding Orange Genie now their 6 month ban has finished.

And it's worth being very clear here as to why it's wrong regardless of what the law says when you argue on the head of a pin.

As a contractor I agree an assignment fee of £x a day and then decide which umbrella firm I use.

And you would hope that because you are giving the umbrella a fee they would be honouring the implicit agreement that every penny they received from the assignment fee should be going in 1 of 4 directions.

The agreed margin (to them)
Employment (employer NI / Apprenticeship levy) and employee tax (to HMRC)
Pension (to your pension pot)
Take home pay to you.

And that when all the figures are totted up - the sum of those 4 figures should be the exact amount the umbrella received from the agency.

And if Orange Genie / Liquid Friday wishes to pocket some additional money they should be being explicit about it and just including it in their margin.

[lonewolf]

The contempt for those who are/were working via Orange Genie and contractors in general is staggering.

I left Orange Genie at the absolute first opportunity. An embarrassing outfit. I have to refrain from going into detail.

The fact the hidden deduction is deemed permissible tells me everything I need to know about this industry and the direction its taking.

[eek]

The contempt for those who are/were working via Orange Genie and contractors in general is staggering.

I left Orange Genie at the absolute first opportunity. An embarrassing outfit. I have to refrain from going into detail.

The fact the hidden deduction is deemed permissible tells me everything I need to know about this industry and the direction its taking.

It’s morally indefensible but without an employment tribunal saying that it’s wrong nothing can be done about it.

The irony is that I suspect the only agencies still using orange genie have now added an extra £2 a week to the kickback they require for recommendations