Public sector IR35 consultation launched

[northernladuk]

Not read all of this....

One answer may be to set up a company (BigCo) owned jointly by several One man band Ltds (MyCo's). If I win a contract all the money goes via BigCo to MyCo, and we share annual costs.

Look to get on a procurement framework.

Doesn't one of the examples in the consultation document put that one to bed though? The one with the supplier with 10 people on site. Each needs assessing individually so doesn't avoid anything?

[eek]

Doesn't one of the examples in the consultation document put that one to bed though? The one with the supplier with 10 people on site. Each needs assessing individually so doesn't avoid anything?

Yep - it's why I look at the idea that the consultancies are going to get the work and think really - not sure.

Now crapita and serco may well pick up a bit of it but most of the consultancies aren't interested in taking over business as usual work and that's a lot of what these jobs are

[webberg]

Not wishing to stifle debate here but whilst it may be the case that some of the ideas here are in the consultation paper (for good or bad) there may be some that are not and where there might be ways to frustrate the flawed purpose of the proposal?

If so, would it not make sense to debate these out of the gaze of HMRC?

We have a part of our forum which could be used. It's called Taxtopics and we use it for tax issues. However I think we could turn it over to this issue for a while.

I cannot guarantee it's secure from HMRC but we do run some rudimentary checks.

It costs nothing to join but we do retain your username and email details.

It will also help us as we are due to attend one of the physical meetings (13th September) and whilst we have ideas and thoughts, there is always room to take on board some more and perhaps to know which areas to avoid.

Anyway - your choice. It's available if you want it.

[webberg]

Link

TaxTopics for Contractors & Advisers

Please ignore the "this month's topic header" which I will get changed soon.

[barrydidit]

Yep - it's why I look at the idea that the consultancies are going to get the work and think really - not sure.

Now crapita and serco may well pick up a bit of it but most of the consultancies aren't interested in taking over business as usual work and that's a lot of what these jobs are

Interesting e-mail from a rejected pimp yesterday afternoon

Thanks for your time on the phone earlier, it was very good to speak with you. Thanks for also raising the point regarding the PAYE payment method at HMRC. This is something that I have raised and fortunately, this should not be an issue as this role is actually working for a consultancy called [snip] Services and they then place people on site with HMRC (and also DWP) and currently have about 100 consultants working on site but actually employed by [snip] Services. This will allow HMRC a loophole to continue hiring strong contractors with limited companies, such as yourself.

Ignoring the 'employed' faux pas, it seems the agency industry is generally unaware of the situation. This one verbally told me he thought there was a bit of scaremongering going on. A previous discussion re an HMRC role foundered on the same point (and was paying 20% more due to fewer fingers in the pie).

Just thought i'd post this now it's actually starting to have an impact.

[cojak]

Public sector IR35 consultation launched

Not wishing to stifle debate here but whilst it may be the case that some of the ideas here are in the consultation paper (for good or bad) there may be some that are not and where there might be ways to frustrate the flawed purpose of the proposal?

If so, would it not make sense to debate these out of the gaze of HMRC?

We have a part of our forum which could be used. It's called Taxtopics and we use it for tax issues. However I think we could turn it over to this issue for a while.

I cannot guarantee it's secure from HMRC but we do run some rudimentary checks.

It costs nothing to join but we do retain your username and email details.

It will also help us as we are due to attend one of the physical meetings (13th September) and whilst we have ideas and thoughts, there is always room to take on board some more and perhaps to know which areas to avoid.

Anyway - your choice. It's available if you want it.

HMRC individuals are tax payers too, how are you going to keep them out of your forum?

We're talking more than tax here. Take care, webberg...

[jamesbrown]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-payroll-soar/

[SueEllen]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-payroll-soar/

All public sector renumeration higher than what the PM earns has to go to the Chief Secretary to the Treasury for approval.

In other words the Treasury approved the high rate...

[youngguy]

Nice to see some figures (other than Gov's citing of alleged saving) and echoes what most I have spoken to have said about leaving the PS or upping rates. £115m deficit rather than £400m gain!

[Hobosapien]

Nice article but it doesn't cover the probable fact that the consultancies will get an exemption notice from the new rules, so can get either their own cheap bodies in to fill the void, or get contractors in to do the work so the consultancies get the current agency margin plus their additional consultancy fee.

20,000 PS contractors sounds a lot to be looking for other opportunities if the article proves anywhere near right. Private sector rates about to drop for non specialist roles that continue to be in demand.