Reply to: Half-decent, simple UML type diagram tools?

[TheDude]

UML - now there is a phrase I haven't heard since before you were born...

[d000hg]

Wow all this takes me back 20 years. Anyone remember Rational Rose and UML --> Code and Code --> UML. What a cluster **** that was.

I thought all this kind of crap went away with Agile DevOps. 4 minutes of design time, code and test in the afternoon and all done by the end of the week. No need to document anything, the code speaks for itself.

For new stuff absolutely But this is 20-year old code including layers and layers of improvements, fixes, and mysterious "because of Keith" tweaks. It has to work as it does now and nobody really knows what that is in totality.

[cojak]

Of course nothing ever goes wrong once it’s in Prod…

https://twitter.com/devopscats/statu...TqTpCiblQ7xU6Q

[jamesbrown]

Chuck it over the wall, it's the agile way

[cojak]

I was just laughing at the thought of undocumented code (I know V was having a laugh ).

It's all lovely until someone is expected to support it in Prod - 'if you build it you support it' goes out of the window when Devs are expected to go on the rota to support their code and VMs.

"I've spent years getting out of Support - you can feck off if you expect me to go back!", say the Devs and their Leads in the DevOps teams...

[eek]

By screaming abandon hope all ye who enter here - can you tell I spent all morning trying to find a misplaced parenthesis in a SQL statement.

[cojak]

No need to document anything, the code speaks for itself.

[_V_]

Wow all this takes me back 20 years. Anyone remember Rational Rose and UML --> Code and Code --> UML. What a cluster **** that was.

I thought all this kind of crap went away with Agile DevOps. 4 minutes of design time, code and test in the afternoon and all done by the end of the week. No need to document anything, the code speaks for itself.

[BlueSharp]

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Not heard of Edraw Max before so will take a look. Also don't discount a good old fashioned wall and sticky-pads, string and blue-tac if your all on site. I ran a workshop yesterday with an old school wall, first whiteboard session for a long time and much more enjoyable with a group than staring at a screen.

[cojak]

I have Enterprise Architect Professional Edition, it’s stand-alone but good.

If you just want to draw pictures rather than build libraries (and there’s no harm in that), then Edraw Max is very good, it has a load of very good templates.

(I’ve both, but I’m a bit of a geek like that.)

[courtg9000]

Dia is quite good.
I like draw.io and self host an instance but its really only good for on the fly stuff.

[mangled]

Dia ?

[WTFH]

A previous client of mine used Lucidchart, which was good because it was cross platform and was reasonably user friendly.

[d000hg]

Yeah, I prefer a sort of UML-ish structure. Proper UML is a nightmare unless you're using it to auto-generate skeleton code which can be quite good.

[ladymuck]

Archimate?