Another buzzword for CV - "DevOps"

[malvolio]

DevOps is applying tools to issues such as error log reports, h/w and environmental monitoring outputs and other data sources, looking to highlight things that matter amidst all the dross that modern systems churn out. It also aims to automate stuff like release processes and other repetitive but critical activities, which includes testing, backup processes and a shedload of other stuff.

Where I part company with what is a worthwhile labour saving process is when people start seeing it (and selling it) as a standalone activity. It is not any such thing, any more than ITIL is a set of fixed processes (that's ISO20000-1, and pretty much pointless outside some CS departments) rather than a working culture with a common vocabulary...

[woohoo]

I'm not a programmer so to my limited understandinmg DevOps is simply automation of the common tasks done during thje development cycle that would normally require some non-programmer skills.

Things like making new systems or VMs, replicating data sets for testing, running automated tests and general other stuff. Stuff that previously needed an infrastructure engineer but now it's automated they're redundant.

I've seen jobs advertised as DevOps so sounds like the infrastructure engineer has just been replaced.

[Lance]

I'm not a programmer so to my limited understandinmg DevOps is simply automation of the common tasks done during thje development cycle that would normally require some non-programmer skills.

Things like making new systems or VMs, replicating data sets for testing, running automated tests and general other stuff. Stuff that previously needed an infrastructure engineer but now it's automated they're redundant.

[GreenMirror]

A jolly good idea.

(Oh, and you’re both right - which makes things interesting...)

Understood. So then it reminds me of the job interview where I had to do maths on radio waves hitting a fence. The interviewer silently let me go through the maths - then said I was wrong. I had been assuming a fence was solid - he told me it was composed of posts.

I suppose I could have asked. But it was clear I was unliked and was never goingto get the job.

Maybe the interviewer thought OH was too clever and too much of a threat?

[cojak]

No, they mean ‘someone else’s computer’.

FTFY

That may be the case if you try to use the TCS Cloud that they are pushing.

[cojak]

ITIL4 is coming, BTW. Be prepared for a lot more course work and self-contradictory qualifications demands over the next few months.

Yeah, feck that for a game of cricket. I’ve been looking at it for my company - it’s basically another reason to demand money with menaces (‘you’ll never work in the industry again unless you spend money on courses and certificates!’j

Of course, when I mentioned it to the client they looked at me like I’d suggested going back to waterfall 1990’s.

I think I can avoid it until I retire.

[NotAllThere]

DevOps was coined because it sounds like BlackOps.

[vetran]

Yep, agree with Cojak. DevOps, like ITIL, is a state of mind and not a rigid process methodology. Any half-good IT worker will be doing 90% of it already, probably using most of the same tools.

Only three kinds of people make it mandatory and defined: the people writing the books, the people selling the training courses and the agencies looking to trim their applicants pile. Oddly enough, all three have a direct financial interest, as opposed to making the world work.

ITIL4 is coming, BTW. Be prepared for a lot more course work and self-contradictory qualifications demands over the next few months.

JIRA & GIT makes things better or at least that is what I sell.

[vetran]

No, they mean ‘someone else’s computer’.

FTFY

[malvolio]

Yep, agree with Cojak. DevOps, like ITIL, is a state of mind and not a rigid process methodology. Any half-good IT worker will be doing 90% of it already, probably using most of the same tools.

Only three kinds of people make it mandatory and defined: the people writing the books, the people selling the training courses and the agencies looking to trim their applicants pile. Oddly enough, all three have a direct financial interest, as opposed to making the world work.

ITIL4 is coming, BTW. Be prepared for a lot more course work and self-contradictory qualifications demands over the next few months.

[cojak]

I don't suppose a mod could move this thread to tech or B&C before the cretins jump in?

A jolly good idea.

(Oh, and you’re both right - which makes things interesting...)

[cojak]

Using 'the Internet' when they mean 'the WWW'

No, they mean ‘someone else’s data centre’.

[NigelJK]

Using 'the Internet' when they mean 'the WWW'

[GreenMirror]

I think that is different to the current devops meaning?

I believe current meaning is about automated build and deployment. So as soon as anything gets checked in, everything necessary is rebuilt. And tested. And deployed.

Support team moniotors health of prod, both UAT envs(regular and regression), QA and UAT. Devops help with the toools support need.

QA team keeps on top of testing - ensuring it keeps going and new tests added as needed.

Currently total rewrite in the cloud.

I don't suppose a mod could move this thread to tech or B&C before the cretins jump in?

[OwlHoot]

Don't they ever give up with these re-hashed buzzwords that simply reiterate the same practices which have been used for decades?



I used exactly this process in my last three contracts, but was turned down for a contract as I apparently didn't have "DevOps" experience!