Reply to: Following re-reform, companies ignoring the opportunity

[jammer]

This is dire news. IMO what was going to happen was, permietractors get the boot, the industry goes into a bit of a recession while things are rejigged, and then companies come out and do things propertly.

I work for a mega giant company and they were already rushing through a new SoW business model for contractors to be compliant because they knew they needed them.

With the delay, I suspect we'll basically endure a year of indecision from clients, too scared to re-hire contractors for just one year, and without the impetus to adopt the same compliant SoW driven model.

During which time contractors are gonna be *tuliped*.

I put my CV online etc. a few weeks ago and I've received nothing but two calls. Not even the usual vulture calls for references. It hasn't been this dead since 2009. Fortunately I have an extension, supposedly, so I might be OK. But I would NOT like to be on the bench right now.

Agreed.

I finished my last in Dec and took some time out. After advertising myself again recently the calls just haven't been coming in. Had a few conversations but nothing solid.

Luckily I just started on a new project with some guys I already knew so I'm sorted for another few months. Really not looking forward to the prospects of post-corona-IR35-ravished landscape I must admit.

[northernladuk]

+2 - I understand the temptation to pocket the extra money but at the end of this the tax system is going to have to be completely rebuilt and HMRC will be after any and all money it can find.

And here is the perfect example of how people are going to see it....

https://www.contractoruk.com/forums/...late-help.html

What's worse than the clients ignoring the legislation is contractors ignoring IR35

[cojak]

This is dire news. IMO what was going to happen was, permietractors get the boot, the industry goes into a bit of a recession while things are rejigged, and then companies come out and do things propertly.

I work for a mega giant company and they were already rushing through a new SoW business model for contractors to be compliant because they knew they needed them.

With the delay, I suspect we'll basically endure a year of indecision from clients, too scared to re-hire contractors for just one year, and without the impetus to adopt the same compliant SoW driven model.

During which time contractors are gonna be *tuliped*.

I put my CV online etc. a few weeks ago and I've received nothing but two calls. Not even the usual vulture calls for references. It hasn't been this dead since 2009. Fortunately I have an extension, supposedly, so I might be OK. But I would NOT like to be on the bench right now.

I completely agree with this opinion.

[FIERCE TANK BATTLE]

This is dire news. IMO what was going to happen was, permietractors get the boot, the industry goes into a bit of a recession while things are rejigged, and then companies come out and do things propertly.

I work for a mega giant company and they were already rushing through a new SoW business model for contractors to be compliant because they knew they needed them.

With the delay, I suspect we'll basically endure a year of indecision from clients, too scared to re-hire contractors for just one year, and without the impetus to adopt the same compliant SoW driven model.

During which time contractors are gonna be *tuliped*.

I put my CV online etc. a few weeks ago and I've received nothing but two calls. Not even the usual vulture calls for references. It hasn't been this dead since 2009. Fortunately I have an extension, supposedly, so I might be OK. But I would NOT like to be on the bench right now.

[cojak]

Yes, personally I would stay with the inside role & umbrella, and accept that I'm not going to earn as much this year.

But everyone asking this question isn't going to like that answer...

[eek]

Yup but IMO it's fairly blank and white in most cases. Many people will be; -

• Self determined outside
• Client says inside
• Carry on self determining outside
• When it hits again client says inside again.

A new high risk category has appeared and if we though the existing outside/inside guys were low hanging fruit the new category will just be too tempting to pass. IMO if people are this stupid I'd welcome HMRC's investigation to be honest. Leave the rest of us alone.

Would I be comfortable telling people to stay inside and lost 30% income for a year and find out they don't get investigated? That's a really tough one. Should we point out the near 100% chance of losing a case and how tempting they now look then yes, it's a black and white fact.

The country will have no money this time of year. If I were the gov desperately looking for money how on earth can they pass this one up?

+2 - I understand the temptation to pocket the extra money but at the end of this the tax system is going to have to be completely rebuilt and HMRC will be after any and all money it can find.

[northernladuk]

I think that this is really, really dangerous from an HMRC pov.

They just have to log all of the new contracts that have switched from outside to inside next year.

I honestly don't know what I would do in this situation and I don't feel able to advise anyone.

Yup but IMO it's fairly blank and white in most cases. Many people will be; -

• Self determined outside
• Client says inside
• Carry on self determining outside
• When it hits again client says inside again.

A new high risk category has appeared and if we though the existing outside/inside guys were low hanging fruit the new category will just be too tempting to pass. IMO if people are this stupid I'd welcome HMRC's investigation to be honest. Leave the rest of us alone.

Would I be comfortable telling people to stay inside and lost 30% income for a year and find out they don't get investigated? That's a really tough one. Should we point out the near 100% chance of losing a case and how tempting they now look then yes, it's a black and white fact.

The country will have no money this time of year. If I were the gov desperately looking for money how on earth can they pass this one up?

[cojak]

I think that this is really, really dangerous from an HMRC pov.

They just have to log all of the new contracts that have switched from outside to inside next year.

I honestly don't know what I would do in this situation and I don't feel able to advise anyone.

[Paralytic]

Axa are extending contractors outside, I am told today.

One such already signed up.

"Extending contractors outside"

???

Don't you mean they will continue to engage with PSCs and let contractors self-determine? They are very different things. I very much doubt Axa are giving these contractors outside determinations (whatever that might mean now).

[simes]

Axa are extending contractors outside, I am told today.

One such already signed up.

[simes]

We know all this chaps.

I was just popping a thread up to list those who aren't going to 'play'.

[CosmicWave]

Last night I, and many others, welcomed the 'news' but wondered if in fact the clients and companies were so far down the road that they would ignore the lifting of the IR35 restrictions.

Today I hear O2 is one such company. Inside only, as of today.

Any others?

The damage has been done. It’s too late for a (albeit temporary) u-turn now.
It’s not going to help / benefit many.

[Paralytic]

The only way companies who have said they'll no longer engage with PSCs will change is if people start leaving to work for other clients who will still engage with PSCs. But, with the economy the way it is, I can't see there being a plentiful number of contracts appearing with such clients.

[Andy2]

most companies will not backtrack now

[cojak]

I can’t see anything changing, it’s too far down the road.