Reply to: DLA1 has been replaced, do I need an APPA

[sadkingbilly]

I get my yeast from https://www.crossmyloofbrew.co.uk
If i'm not doing a proper scrumpy, I'll use champagne yeast for cider.

used to play ice hockey there, a looong time ago

[Snooky]

I've tended to use https://www.biggerjugs.co.uk/ for wine making bits.

That link will remain unclicked while at work

[WTFH]

I get my yeast from https://www.crossmyloofbrew.co.uk
If i'm not doing a proper scrumpy, I'll use champagne yeast for cider.

[Uncle Albert]

I get wine kits from this company, and looks like they sell the stills you mention. Can't see any mention of DLA1, or the new APPA, on the website.

https://www.creativewinemaking.co.uk...rter-kits.html

BTW I've been using this company for years, and can wholeheartedly recommend them.

Ta, I'll add them to my list of suppliers.

I've tended to use https://www.biggerjugs.co.uk/ for wine making bits. They've always been quick with their deliveries. They won't help with distilling, but for wine they're good. Though I did have to explain to Mrs Albert that the credit card entry for Bigger Jugs was nothing to worry about.

[woody1]

There's not that many home brewers who have working stills that are suitable for distilling/rectifying alcohol. A few people have them to make fragrances. If you've got a 250ml copper alembic that works off a tea light, then that's slightly different to having a 10l column reflux still.
The old DLA1 was free to apply for, and quite a simple process. Once you had it, then there was no risk of a neighbour (or other person) robbing you in for breach of excise laws.
One of the most popular domestic stills is based on the T500 (which is like one of the big water boilers you might see at a sports ground), and while I doubt that suppliers pass details on to hector, it's not a risk worth taking.

I get wine kits from this company, and looks like they sell the stills you mention. Can't see any mention of DLA1, or the new APPA, on the website.

https://www.creativewinemaking.co.uk...rter-kits.html

BTW I've been using this company for years, and can wholeheartedly recommend them.

[milanbenes]

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[WTFH]

Do you need an APPA to buy a Still? Do retailers of Stills have to disclose to HMRC who they've sold them to?

I'm curious as to how HMRC could ever catch someone doing home distilling. My guess is most home brewers never even bothered with a DLA1, and will just ignore the new rules and carry on.

There's not that many home brewers who have working stills that are suitable for distilling/rectifying alcohol. A few people have them to make fragrances. If you've got a 250ml copper alembic that works off a tea light, then that's slightly different to having a 10l column reflux still.
The old DLA1 was free to apply for, and quite a simple process. Once you had it, then there was no risk of a neighbour (or other person) robbing you in for breach of excise laws.
One of the most popular domestic stills is based on the T500 (which is like one of the big water boilers you might see at a sports ground), and while I doubt that suppliers pass details on to hector, it's not a risk worth taking.

[woody1]

Do you need an APPA to buy a Still? Do retailers of Stills have to disclose to HMRC who they've sold them to?

I'm curious as to how HMRC could ever catch someone doing home distilling. My guess is most home brewers never even bothered with a DLA1, and will just ignore the new rules and carry on.

[DoctorStrangelove]

Fractional freezing?

[WTFH]

Ah, that's a shame. I'd wait untill they clarify the law.

Still, if you need a hand clearing out the stocks of cider...

50 litres of it in my office, should keep me going for a week or so, but thanks for the offer.

[Uncle Albert]

Unfortunately not. I had delayed getting a still deciding that I didn’t have a suitable shed for it. Now that I’m running out of storage for cider, I’d really like to reduce the amount of space it takes up.

Ah, that's a shame. I'd wait untill they clarify the law.

Still, if you need a hand clearing out the stocks of cider...

[WTFH]

What classifies as "research or experimental purposes"?

Well, that was plan B.

[woody1]

What classifies as "research or experimental purposes"?

[WTFH]

Do you have an existing licnece? If so...

Unfortunately not. I had delayed getting a still deciding that I didn’t have a suitable shed for it. Now that I’m running out of storage for cider, I’d really like to reduce the amount of space it takes up.

[Uncle Albert]

In the past, if you wanted to legally distill and rectify alcohol at home in the UK, you just filled out a DLA1:
https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/print.../DLA1/dla1.xdp

As long as your still was less than 4.5l, and a few other things, then that was all there was to it.

Last week the rules changed.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if...-approval-appa

The "exemptions" are now:

• domestic use (this excludes spirits)
• research or experimental purposes

Now, I've not gone into the detail section of it yet, but all my reading around it implies that yes, APPA is required. Do I need an L5 as well?

The rules have changed so recently that no one seems to know. I thought about asking my accountant, but he's been on my home-brew cider and is struggling to stand up.

Do you have an existing licnece? If so...

If you’re already producing alcoholic products, we will migrate your existing alcohol production license or registration to APPA.

I was cosidering distilling the leftovers from my wine production but when I looked into it it seemed too much of a faff.