Reply to: Go on Kemi prove you don't want to be elected

[vetran]

I only used it to do the maths of population vs offences.


Interesting. But still evidences the fact that stating most of the offenders is white is not a useful statement which is what I was trying to point out folloing Andy's comment.


Me neither, I was mashing information from multiple articles to try get to the point I was making so whether I miss read or an incorrect article. It is a minefield though with so many articles with different information or phrasing/context of the number. Pakisani vs Asian terms in differnent articles etc.

All points to the same point I made though. The Asians are just, if not more so, involved in this so any talk about it being race baiting or a white problem is wholly wrong.

Note there is proportionally a high number Pakistani's involved in this which seems to be what people are trying to obscure by playing with words. I would be just as upset if there were a large number of white Australians, Americans or New Zealanders involved and interested in why.

By wrapping Pakistanis up as Asians they disguise how unusual the numbers are. Then attacking any dissenters as racists you discourage sensible discussion. Any minute now Keir will be round to lock you up as far right1

Of course the classification white has many sub divisions so the white grooming gangs could all be from the Pitcairn islands we don't know.

This is the sort of Tulip the left like to play.

[northernladuk]

I really wouldn't use ChatGPT for this. It's a complicated issue, with very specific definitions, and a glorified auto-complete isn't going to give you meaningful information.

I only used it to do the maths of population vs offences.

Here's an article from The Times, which seems to be fairly objective:
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
That in turn links to a report from the Hydrant Programme:
CSE-Taskforce-Group-Based-Offending-Publication-November-2024.pdf

One point is that the figures for 2023 are cases which were recorded during that year. That includes allegations for historical offences, not just things which actually happened in that year.

I've attached 2 bar charts from that article. In particular:
* The general population is 81% white.
* Suspects for all group-based child sex abuse are 82% white.
* Suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation are 70% white.
* Group based abuse is a tiny fraction of all in-person abuse (4,224 out of 78,078 cases). I.e. most cases involve a single suspect.

Interesting. But still evidences the fact that stating most of the offenders is white is not a useful statement which is what I was trying to point out folloing Andy's comment.

NLUK said that the population is 75% white. I'm not sure where that figure came from, but the according to the 2021 UK Census, 83% of people identified as white, including 75.98% who were white British (as opposed to white Irish etc).

Me neither, I was mashing information from multiple articles to try get to the point I was making so whether I miss read or an incorrect article. It is a minefield though with so many articles with different information or phrasing/context of the number. Pakisani vs Asian terms in differnent articles etc.

All points to the same point I made though. The Asians are just, if not more so, involved in this so any talk about it being race baiting or a white problem is wholly wrong.

[Andy2022]

Don't try to understand stats your brain can't handle it or avoid pissing on your shoes.

Done with your pervert loving ass!

Oh look here comes your standard behaviour of name calling and flouncing off when someone points out the holes in your statements

[vetran]

If you’re going to quote stats you should make sure they’re accurate but then you have little interest in accuracy because it undermines the hate you spew

“Most grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, police chiefs say” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2677586.html

If you spent five minutes doing your own research you’d see it’s a problem across race boundaries

Don't try to understand stats your brain can't handle it or avoid pissing on your shoes.

Done with your pervert loving ass!

[hobnob]

EDIT : Just ChatGPT'd it. Using the numbers above it would appear that white people account for 0.84 crimes per head where Pakistani accounts for 1.71 crimes per head. So it's not equal at all and would appear a discussion is in order.

I really wouldn't use ChatGPT for this. It's a complicated issue, with very specific definitions, and a glorified auto-complete isn't going to give you meaningful information.

Here's an article from The Times, which seems to be fairly objective:
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
That in turn links to a report from the Hydrant Programme:
CSE-Taskforce-Group-Based-Offending-Publication-November-2024.pdf

One point is that the figures for 2023 are cases which were recorded during that year. That includes allegations for historical offences, not just things which actually happened in that year.

I've attached 2 bar charts from that article. In particular:
* The general population is 81% white.
* Suspects for all group-based child sex abuse are 82% white.
* Suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation are 70% white.
* Group based abuse is a tiny fraction of all in-person abuse (4,224 out of 78,078 cases). I.e. most cases involve a single suspect.

NLUK said that the population is 75% white. I'm not sure where that figure came from, but the according to the 2021 UK Census, 83% of people identified as white, including 75.98% who were white British (as opposed to white Irish etc).

[northernladuk]

If you’re going to quote stats you should make sure they’re accurate but then you have little interest in accuracy because it undermines the hate you spew

“Most grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, police chiefs say” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2677586.html

If you soent five minutes doing your own research you’d see it’s a problem across race boundaries

Even with the link it's hardly accurate. A few examples. The article says

From January to September 2024, there were 144 (63%) white suspects, and 31 (13.7%) Pakistani.

What it doesn't mention is that the population is 75% white and 8% Asian/British Asian. Someone can do the maths for me but the statement that most are white is not a useful statement. Not forgetting thats 13.7 Pakistani, not Asian. The figures so that there is a disproportionate number of Asians involved which paints a whole different picture. You could argue that there is a problem with this crime in teh Asian community. It's only a few percent different (if someone can do the maths) so pretty equal. It's not a majorly white problem, unless you are just talking gross numbers.

There is then the problem with the base data. The article says

But the data is incomplete, as the NPCC said the information on ethnicity was available for only 34% of suspects in the whole of 2023 and for only 39% of suspects in the first nine months of 2024.

So we only a snapshot of between a third and half of all incidents. Why isn't the ethnicity of 60% of cases not logged? It's been shown that minorities don't tend to engage in politics, the census and other such activities so are under represented. That plus the suspicion that police/councils have turned a blind eye to this going on (arguable) could you infer the 60% could be driving down the number of non-whites logged? I don't know but it's got to be asked.

What is gang grooming. Seems to be mixed messages about what they are considered group and possible include online.

So I'd counter your argument that says white men are a bigger problem. It seems a level(ish) playing field and isn't just white males. It's half and half by populace (EDIT : wrong as I've put below) so that's the race baiting argument gone.

EDIT : Just ChatGPT'd it. Using the numbers above it would appear that white people account for 0.84 crimes per head where Pakistani accounts for 1.71 crimes per head. So it's not equal at all and would appear a discussion is in order.

[Andy2022]

Which stories? The stories in the news predominately refer to white girls and a few non Muslims. do link to where your Paedo pals attacked their own.

By the way disagreeing with the Koran or any religion embroiled in slavery is not racist.

Quoting stats is also not racist.

If you’re going to quote stats you should make sure they’re accurate but then you have little interest in accuracy because it undermines the hate you spew

“Most grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, police chiefs say” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2677586.html

If you spent five minutes doing your own research you’d see it’s a problem across race boundaries

[vetran]

You obviously missed the news stories about Muslim girls being abused too… or choose to ignore them because it doesn't suit your racist narrative

Which stories? The stories in the news predominately refer to white girls and a few non Muslims. do link to where your Paedo pals attacked their own.

By the way disagreeing with the Koran or any religion embroiled in slavery is not racist.

Quoting stats is also not racist.

[Andy2022]

Its not as simple as race or ethnic makeup.

I believe Islam allows them to "other" the girls. None muslims are fair game according to the Koran. They traditionally can be slaves or can be abused/forcibly married. This is supposed to have improved in modern Islam but it was deep seated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

They don't touch muslims but Sikhs, Hindus, christians and aetheists are open season.

If the number of rape gangs is the same in white and Pakistani communities there are lot more per head of population in the Pakistani community. The Paedo apologists like whataboutery.

You obviously missed the news stories about Muslim girls being abused too… or choose to ignore them because it doesn't suit your racist narrative

[vetran]

Its not as simple as race or ethnic makeup.

I believe Islam allows them to "other" the girls. None muslims are fair game according to the Koran. They traditionally can be slaves or can be abused/forcibly married. This is supposed to have improved in modern Islam but it was deep seated.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi

They don't touch muslims but Sikhs, Hindus, christians and aetheists are open season.

The number of offenders (where ethnicity recorded) in white and Pakistani communities there are lot more per head of population in the Pakistani community. The Paedo apologists like whataboutery.

https://news.sky.com/story/wrong-to-...hiefs-13286550

Figures from the police database show where ethnicity is recorded, that in the first three quarters of 2024 - 85% of group-based child abusers were white, while 3.9% were of Pakistani origin.

The figure increases for Pakistani offenders to 13.7% if you remove institutional groups, such as sports groups, schools and church-based group offenders, and group child abuse committed in a family setting.

[northernladuk]

what a lot of cobblers.

The key thing is that they were ignored by the Authorities to avoid upsetting people. I want all criminals prosecuted promptly - don't you?

Technically it is a fact that groom gangs are about 50/50 white and Asian gangs but it's highly topical and the scale of it so all over the news and the balanced view has gone but that doesn't mean you still can't be angry IMO. Just the race issue becomes an argument as per this thread. I don't think anyone raises it to stoke divisions. It's topical news and it's on a large scale so fair to report on it, it's just missing the white piece to balance it. Either way, regardless of Ethnicity they all need dealing with, and firmly. I don't want these people around whatever their background.

I do agree the authorities not taking quicker action, likely because of ethnicity is a problem and is a valid argument. There is a discussion to be had that this 'could' be more prevalent in the Asian community due to culture and attitude to women which needs investigation, not because they are all the same, but any reason it is happening needs to be fully investigated and fixed. That fix 'could' be different in a culture that is more likely to accept female mutilation and honour killing vs the white population but whatever it is it bloody well needs looking at and fixing. Can't shy away from a deep dive because people daren't, which I believe is happening.

[vetran]

Such utter bollocks… Go look at the lists of white gangs convicted of grooming and sexual offences… grooming gangs are as much a white problem as they are an Asian one

What's happened lately is the Asian cases have risen to prominence as a way of stoking racial issues

And yes I know who horrific some of the cases are

what a lot of cobblers.

The key thing is that they were ignored by the Authorities to avoid upsetting people. I want all criminals prosecuted promptly - don't you?

[Andy2022]

If you knew anything about what has been happening with these predomiinantly Asian grooming gangs you wouldn't be asking such a stupid question. The evidence is there, gangs of predominantly Asian men have been raping children in over 50 towns around the UK - they have been convicted and in most cases imprisoned.

Such utter bollocks… Go look at the lists of white gangs convicted of grooming and sexual offences… grooming gangs are as much a white problem as they are an Asian one

What's happened lately is the Asian cases have risen to prominence as a way of stoking racial issues

And yes I know who horrific some of the cases are

[DoctorStrangelove]

Not forgetting:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kincora_Boys%27_Home

And who framed Colin Wallace?

[vetran]

The first letters should be arriving soon at the 1922 committee (and they don't need many as the Toreis don't have that many seats)

From my point of view what she said was insensitive and borderline racist. A Party leader calling people peasants is unacceptable. So Bye bye Kemi.

What I think is frustrating to most people is that the predominantly Pakistani groomers were given special treatment for "community cohesion" and those protesting were accused of racism. Crime should be prosecuted irrespective of race. Change "Honour killings" to murder for cultural reasons, FGM to sexual abuse for cultural reasons etc. there is no sugar coating.

Lets lock up Jimmy Saville's protectors with Cyril Smith's collaborators.

I don't care what colour your are, a sick pervert is a sick pervert.

Gangs of people espousing "kill all Jews" are allowed to march down the high street. If they were muscle dragging EDL supporters they would be charged with batons, lets be even handed (I am quite happy to see the Pro Hamas brigade treated with a bit of baton familiarisation).