Go on Kemi prove you don't want to be elected

[northernladuk]

If you’re going to quote stats you should make sure they’re accurate but then you have little interest in accuracy because it undermines the hate you spew

“Most grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, police chiefs say” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2677586.html

If you soent five minutes doing your own research you’d see it’s a problem across race boundaries

Even with the link it's hardly accurate. A few examples. The article says

From January to September 2024, there were 144 (63%) white suspects, and 31 (13.7%) Pakistani.

What it doesn't mention is that the population is 75% white and 8% Asian/British Asian. Someone can do the maths for me but the statement that most are white is not a useful statement. Not forgetting thats 13.7 Pakistani, not Asian. The figures so that there is a disproportionate number of Asians involved which paints a whole different picture. You could argue that there is a problem with this crime in teh Asian community. It's only a few percent different (if someone can do the maths) so pretty equal. It's not a majorly white problem, unless you are just talking gross numbers.

There is then the problem with the base data. The article says

But the data is incomplete, as the NPCC said the information on ethnicity was available for only 34% of suspects in the whole of 2023 and for only 39% of suspects in the first nine months of 2024.

So we only a snapshot of between a third and half of all incidents. Why isn't the ethnicity of 60% of cases not logged? It's been shown that minorities don't tend to engage in politics, the census and other such activities so are under represented. That plus the suspicion that police/councils have turned a blind eye to this going on (arguable) could you infer the 60% could be driving down the number of non-whites logged? I don't know but it's got to be asked.

What is gang grooming. Seems to be mixed messages about what they are considered group and possible include online.

So I'd counter your argument that says white men are a bigger problem. It seems a level(ish) playing field and isn't just white males. It's half and half by populace (EDIT : wrong as I've put below) so that's the race baiting argument gone.

EDIT : Just ChatGPT'd it. Using the numbers above it would appear that white people account for 0.84 crimes per head where Pakistani accounts for 1.71 crimes per head. So it's not equal at all and would appear a discussion is in order.

[hobnob]

EDIT : Just ChatGPT'd it. Using the numbers above it would appear that white people account for 0.84 crimes per head where Pakistani accounts for 1.71 crimes per head. So it's not equal at all and would appear a discussion is in order.

I really wouldn't use ChatGPT for this. It's a complicated issue, with very specific definitions, and a glorified auto-complete isn't going to give you meaningful information.

Here's an article from The Times, which seems to be fairly objective:
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
That in turn links to a report from the Hydrant Programme:
CSE-Taskforce-Group-Based-Offending-Publication-November-2024.pdf

One point is that the figures for 2023 are cases which were recorded during that year. That includes allegations for historical offences, not just things which actually happened in that year.

I've attached 2 bar charts from that article. In particular:
* The general population is 81% white.
* Suspects for all group-based child sex abuse are 82% white.
* Suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation are 70% white.
* Group based abuse is a tiny fraction of all in-person abuse (4,224 out of 78,078 cases). I.e. most cases involve a single suspect.

NLUK said that the population is 75% white. I'm not sure where that figure came from, but the according to the 2021 UK Census, 83% of people identified as white, including 75.98% who were white British (as opposed to white Irish etc).

[vetran]

If you’re going to quote stats you should make sure they’re accurate but then you have little interest in accuracy because it undermines the hate you spew

“Most grooming gang offences are carried out by white men, police chiefs say” - https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b2677586.html

If you spent five minutes doing your own research you’d see it’s a problem across race boundaries

Don't try to understand stats your brain can't handle it or avoid pissing on your shoes.

Done with your pervert loving ass!

[Andy2022]

Don't try to understand stats your brain can't handle it or avoid pissing on your shoes.

Done with your pervert loving ass!

Oh look here comes your standard behaviour of name calling and flouncing off when someone points out the holes in your statements

[northernladuk]

I really wouldn't use ChatGPT for this. It's a complicated issue, with very specific definitions, and a glorified auto-complete isn't going to give you meaningful information.

I only used it to do the maths of population vs offences.

Here's an article from The Times, which seems to be fairly objective:
How common are UK grooming gangs and who are the perpetrators?
That in turn links to a report from the Hydrant Programme:
CSE-Taskforce-Group-Based-Offending-Publication-November-2024.pdf

One point is that the figures for 2023 are cases which were recorded during that year. That includes allegations for historical offences, not just things which actually happened in that year.

I've attached 2 bar charts from that article. In particular:
* The general population is 81% white.
* Suspects for all group-based child sex abuse are 82% white.
* Suspects for group-based child sexual exploitation are 70% white.
* Group based abuse is a tiny fraction of all in-person abuse (4,224 out of 78,078 cases). I.e. most cases involve a single suspect.

Interesting. But still evidences the fact that stating most of the offenders is white is not a useful statement which is what I was trying to point out folloing Andy's comment.

NLUK said that the population is 75% white. I'm not sure where that figure came from, but the according to the 2021 UK Census, 83% of people identified as white, including 75.98% who were white British (as opposed to white Irish etc).

Me neither, I was mashing information from multiple articles to try get to the point I was making so whether I miss read or an incorrect article. It is a minefield though with so many articles with different information or phrasing/context of the number. Pakisani vs Asian terms in differnent articles etc.

All points to the same point I made though. The Asians are just, if not more so, involved in this so any talk about it being race baiting or a white problem is wholly wrong.

[vetran]

I only used it to do the maths of population vs offences.


Interesting. But still evidences the fact that stating most of the offenders is white is not a useful statement which is what I was trying to point out folloing Andy's comment.


Me neither, I was mashing information from multiple articles to try get to the point I was making so whether I miss read or an incorrect article. It is a minefield though with so many articles with different information or phrasing/context of the number. Pakisani vs Asian terms in differnent articles etc.

All points to the same point I made though. The Asians are just, if not more so, involved in this so any talk about it being race baiting or a white problem is wholly wrong.

Note there is proportionally a high number Pakistani's involved in this which seems to be what people are trying to obscure by playing with words. I would be just as upset if there were a large number of white Australians, Americans or New Zealanders involved and interested in why.

By wrapping Pakistanis up as Asians they disguise how unusual the numbers are. Then attacking any dissenters as racists you discourage sensible discussion. Any minute now Keir will be round to lock you up as far right1

Of course the classification white has many sub divisions so the white grooming gangs could all be from the Pitcairn islands we don't know.

This is the sort of Tulip the left like to play.