Reply to: I wonder what the emissions from that were?

[vetran]

As per my original mail I can't believe they aren't graded along side sports cars with equivalent acceleration, especially when your average family will be owning them, not petrol heads. Both are risks but different. One generally drives like and idiot, the other doesn't know how to handle a powerful car.

And the size of the claim in an accident as you say.

The insurers seem to agree with you
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/news/3...rers.%E2%80%9D

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/e...ctric-vehicles

[Paddy]

You get warranty up to 100k miles but from what I've read they don't need replacing till at least 200k miles mark. That of course leaves a pretty large gap of a 100k between the two, but it's really down to how much you drive and how old the EV is to start with. Don't they offer battery health indication on most models? No idea how that works, but if you don't slam them hard with some weird charging or it doesn't catch fire, you are good

The devil is in the detail (T&Cs). This includes main dealer servicing and checks including any external damage that could affect the battery. Speed bumps especially in London are guaranteed to bottom out most EVs.

[dsc]

As per my original mail I can't believe they aren't graded along side sports cars with equivalent acceleration, especially when your average family will be owning them, not petrol heads. Both are risks but different. One generally drives like and idiot, the other doesn't know how to handle a powerful car.

And the size of the claim in an accident as you say.

Would be good to see statistics on how many people drive them off the road when fecking about with friends.

[dsc]

Insight: Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car | Reuters

Yes, this is what I was thinking about, even the smallest damage to the battery case increases the risk the battery might've been damaged inside, which can then lead to a fire at a random point in time, so safest option is to bin it. I wouldn't be surprised if this is the reason why premiums are going up as even on a potentially small collision you are scrapping the whole car

[northernladuk]

Curious why, is it the fact that in an accident if the battery body gets damaged it's bin time, or something else. Typically insurance goes up due to claims, but this is fairly new technology, so perhaps the risk has been assessed as higher due to something we don't yet know but insurers know from manufacturers?

As per my original mail I can't believe they aren't graded along side sports cars with equivalent acceleration, especially when your average family will be owning them, not petrol heads. Both are risks but different. One generally drives like and idiot, the other doesn't know how to handle a powerful car.

And the size of the claim in an accident as you say.

[Gibbon]

Curious why, is it the fact that in an accident if the battery body gets damaged it's bin time, or something else. Typically insurance goes up due to claims, but this is fairly new technology, so perhaps the risk has been assessed as higher due to something we don't yet know but insurers know from manufacturers?

Insight: Scratched EV battery? Your insurer may have to junk the whole car | Reuters

[Snooky]

It's not hard to Google something like "do electric vehicles catch fire more than petrol vehicles?", to which the answer in all results seems to be "no, statistically they're far less likely to catch fire" - but even that seems to be too much effort for EV cynics. I'm pretty ambivalent to the power source used and I run 2 ICE vehicles, but at least I try to base my opinions on easily discoverable facts.

[dsc]

From one of my local forums the big issue with them this year was insurance on them doubling or more.

So while my petrol car insurance went up 41% those with EVs found that their old insurer didn't insure EVs any more and the insurers who did doubled or more their insurance. Most of the people complaining had BMWs and Audis.

Curious why, is it the fact that in an accident if the battery body gets damaged it's bin time, or something else. Typically insurance goes up due to claims, but this is fairly new technology, so perhaps the risk has been assessed as higher due to something we don't yet know but insurers know from manufacturers?

[SueEllen]

Every time an EV catches fire the gammons seem to enjoy it for some reason. I've seen a diesel or Petrol car on fire, so often I forgot how many, but that news gets ignored by the Daily mail readers

I first saw the news on the Metro.

Then the beeb had it followed by other outlets like the Daily Mail.

[Eirikur]

Every time an EV catches fire the gammons seem to enjoy it for some reason. I've seen a diesel or Petrol car on fire, so often I forgot how many, but that news gets ignored by the Daily mail readers

[SueEllen]

Off-topic I know, but I only buy second hand cars and my next one will be good old petrol. There's no way I'll buy a 5 year-old EV and have the battery die on me 6 months later.

From one of my local forums the big issue with them this year was insurance on them doubling or more.

So while my petrol car insurance went up 41% those with EVs found that their old insurer didn't insure EVs any more and the insurers who did doubled or more their insurance. Most of the people complaining had BMWs and Audis.

[SueEllen]

For those who don't want to see the DM link it's on the beeb - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67944657

[edison]

That may be true but if the technology (particularly the batteries) is rapidly improving, won't older EVs likely suffer heavy depreciation in years to come?

[dsc]

Off-topic I know, but I only buy second hand cars and my next one will be good old petrol. There's no way I'll buy a 5 year-old EV and have the battery die on me 6 months later.

You get warranty up to 100k miles but from what I've read they don't need replacing till at least 200k miles mark. That of course leaves a pretty large gap of a 100k between the two, but it's really down to how much you drive and how old the EV is to start with. Don't they offer battery health indication on most models? No idea how that works, but if you don't slam them hard with some weird charging or it doesn't catch fire, you are good

[cojak]

Off-topic I know, but I only buy second hand cars and my next one will be good old petrol. There's no way I'll buy a 5 year-old EV and have the battery die on me 6 months later.