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Previously on "May Local Elections In England"

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  • WTFH
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    Originally posted by Gibbon View Post


    He's deceiving again. He's trying to show discrimination between older white and younger black voters. What he declines to disclose is that the 60+ requires proof of residency whereas the 18+ card doesn't as it's primarily aimed at students. Guilty of misdirection with intent to deceive.
    Older voters (no skin colour requirements) have multiple options, several of which are funded by the government:
    https://www.electoralcommission.org....forms-photo-id

    Younger voters (no skin colour requirements) have very few.

    The images he used are from the TFL website, not sure why you decided he was trying to make some race point that isn't there to be made.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
    https://www.electoralcommission.org....ral-fraud-data

    This is electoral fraud from the Tories:
    How is it 'fraud'? Preventing people voting is not 'fraud'.

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  • Gibbon
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    Originally posted by malvolio View Post

    OK, perhaps I'm being dim (again) but I can't see the link between the quoted website and the images. The website itself proves rather conclusively that actual fraud is very low, and well over half is about campaigning rather than voting.

    So your point is?

    He's deceiving again. He's trying to show discrimination between older white and younger black voters. What he declines to disclose is that the 60+ requires proof of residency whereas the 18+ card doesn't as its primarily aimed at students. Guilty of misdirection with intent to deceive.

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  • malvolio
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    Originally posted by darmstadt View Post
    https://www.electoralcommission.org....ral-fraud-data

    This is electoral fraud from the Tories:

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    OK, perhaps I'm being dim (again) but I can't see the link between the quoted website and the images. The website itself proves rather conclusively that actual fraud is very low, and well over half is about campaigning rather than voting.

    So your point is?

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  • darmstadt
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    https://www.electoralcommission.org....ral-fraud-data

    This is electoral fraud from the Tories:

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  • Gibbon
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    Originally posted by Zigenare View Post

    Careful, you're likely to get your post deleted if you mention the specifics of the communities involved.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...itain-2971204/
    Thanks, in my years of working with many from South Asia, it is the subset you've pointed to that seem to have more of this. As an aside I haven't met a Sikh that I haven't really liked.

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  • Zigenare
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    Originally posted by Gibbon View Post

    Actually in certain communities it is rife. I have heard first hand on numerous occasions. They are very patriarchal and what the head man says goes. They also do a lot of postal votes to make sure people vote in a certain way. As they tend to only dominate a few wards that would probably vote that way not much is done about it. But again like FGM we do the women here a particular disservice for the sake of 'community cohesion'.
    Careful, you're likely to get your post deleted if you mention the specifics of the communities involved.

    https://indianexpress.com/article/wo...itain-2971204/

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  • Gibbon
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    There are lots of stories about voter fraud, I imagine most are tosh. A significant minority of Americans think their last election involved significant fraud.
    Are the stories you see well-evidenced or just baseless claims? I can imagine it might happen, but that it's far less common than people claim.

    A bit like the "Facebook listens to my conversations" claims, I think there's probably a simpler explanation.
    Actually in certain communities it is rife. I have heard first hand on numerous occasions. They are very patriarchal and what the head man says goes. They also do a lot of postal votes to make sure people vote in a certain way. As they tend to only dominate a few wards that would probably vote that way not much is done about it. But again like FGM we do the women here a particular disservice for the sake of 'community cohesion'.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

    Maybe I'm just biased but there is a new story about voting fraud on epic scales Bradford every single year..
    There are lots of stories about voter fraud, I imagine most are tosh. A significant minority of Americans think their last election involved significant fraud.
    Are the stories you see well-evidenced or just baseless claims? I can imagine it might happen, but that it's far less common than people claim.

    A bit like the "Facebook listens to my conversations" claims, I think there's probably a simpler explanation.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post

    Maybe I'm just biased but there is a new story about voting fraud on epic scales Bradford every single year.
    They are, which is a good point. They'd probably still be strong Lab even without the fraud to be fair.
    they say that about slough, watch this space...

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  • northernladuk
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    Why do you think that?
    And, will it make a material difference - aren't many of these areas strong Labour holds anyway?
    Maybe I'm just biased but there is a new story about voting fraud on epic scales Bradford every single year.
    They are, which is a good point. They'd probably still be strong Lab even without the fraud to be fair.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by northernladuk View Post
    Having to show ID is gonna change the results in Bradford and other notorious areas I am sure.
    Why do you think that?
    And, will it make a material difference - aren't many of these areas strong Labour holds anyway?

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  • vetran
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    well

    Summing up, Judge Richard Mawrey said Rahman had sought to play the “race and Islamophobia card” throughout the election and would no doubt do so after this judgment. “He was an evasive witness – Rahman was no doubt behind illegal and corrupt practices,” Mawrey said.

    He also faces being stripped of his profession as a lawyer after the judge claimed he told “a pack of lies” in the witness box.

    The ferocity of the judge’s verdict provoked gasps in court. Friends of Rahman claimed he had been unfairly treated.

    he is a lawyer he would probably get a promotion.

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  • SueEllen
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    For those who don't know what I was talking about and are unable to Google this is the story -

    https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ection-results

    Lutfur Rahman, the disgraced politician found by an election tribunal to have engaged in corrupt and illegal practices, has secured a comeback by winning the vote to become mayor of Tower Hamlets in east London.

    After the five-year ban placed on him for standing for public office lapsed, Rahman managed to unseat the incumbent mayor, Labour’s John Biggs, under the banner of his Aspire party.

    Rahman was kicked out of office in 2015 after a specialist court concluded that he was guilty of vote-rigging, buying votes and religious intimidation. But the police and Crown Prosecution Service decided there was insufficient evidence to launch a criminal prosecution.

    and this from the Court case gives you an idea of what he got up to - https://www.theguardian.com/politics...y-of-electoral There are other news stories that alleged that votes from the same person were counted twice and people that didn't exist were registered to vote.

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  • Snooky
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post

    Nah.

    Postal votes.

    Also one person will go in the morning with a driving license and another in the afternoon with their passport.

    That's how they rigged it in Tower Hamlets....
    I don't know how they run polling in Tower Hamlets but where I am they always tick the name off their list when they give you your voting slip, so at least the situation you describe of two people voting in person under the same name twice should never happen

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