Reply to: Show me the money

[sadkingbilly]

sanctimonious pish, as usual

[vetran]

The “article” is a series of selective quotes and comments combined together to make it appear something was said. Nowhere in that article does she state “racial purity”, which is more the kind of term used by blackshirts.

racial purity was sarcasm please enlighten me, her actual words recorded in the documentary would not be out of place if she was a member of the national Front discovered his grandfather was of recent African extraction. If we are to live in this world of harmony we need to treat all racism as unacceptable. That is why I highlighted her language, are you saying she didn't say it? Goody she can sue the program & the wail for defamation. Look forward to the court case, though given her history she will bring a gun to a law fight!

[vetran]

“All are equal, but some are more equal than others.”

4 legs good, two legs bad

[WTFH]

What could possibly go wrong?

“All are equal, but some are more equal than others.”

[Zigenare]

Precisely its our job to make it as equal as possible.

What could possibly go wrong?

[DoctorStrangelove]

more the kind of term used by blackshirts.

Hurrah!

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[WTFH]

try reading the article she clearly states she has always seen herself as an oppressed African Slave and not in any way related to those that came across on the Mayflower or even slave owners.

The “article” is a series of selective quotes and comments combined together to make it appear something was said. Nowhere in that article does she state “racial purity”, which is more the kind of term used by blackshirts.

[vetran]

Didn't realise you want the monarchy abolished

Can do, doesn't bother me much, not sure the Tourist board will be able to take up the slack though.

[SueEllen]

Precisely its our job to make it as equal as possible.

Didn't realise you want the monarchy abolished

[vetran]

Just wondering what your answer was.

try reading the article she clearly states she has always seen herself as an oppressed African Slave and not in any way related to those that came across on the Mayflower or even slave owners.

A famed Black Panther who's also a communist has faced calls to pay reparations after discovering her ancestors were white puritans who arrived in the US on the Mayflower.

Angela Davis, 79, was flabbergasted to discover both sides of her family were white, and that her mom's ancestors were slave owners, on PBS show Finding Your Roots.



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'No. I can't believe this. My ancestors did not come here on the Mayflower,' she said - only to be later told that they did indeed arrive in the US aboard the famed pilgrim ship.

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'I'm both glad and I'm angry. I'm really, really angry,' she added.

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'I always imagine my ancestors as the people who were enslaved. My mind and my heart are swirling with all of these contradictory emotions,' said Davis.

here possibly

[WTFH]

She is stupid because she thought she had racial purity

Where did she say she had racial purity?

Just wondering what your answer was.

[vetran]

Society isn't equal.

Precisely its our job to make it as equal as possible.

This is a US story not a UK one.

BTW you are aware what the Americans call communism is merely socialism in Europe and even the UK?

[/QUOTE]

they are definitely more capitalist than we are. Many though do know the difference.

[vetran]

Not knowing that one of your ancestors was (likely) raped by a white man makes you stupid? No, it at most makes you misinformed if it's critical to your position. It has nothing to do with intellect.
The fact so many black slave descendents have white ancestry surely only amplifies the arguments. It is a matter of record that white slave-owners routinely raped their black slaves, to me that doesn't sound like a good thing.

Now that IS a stupid thing to say. Every country has racists but not every country allowed white people to buy and own black people, and to kill them as property without reprisal. Not every country had laws forcing segregation and the USA removed their laws far more recently than others. If you look at statistics, some countries have far more racism than others. "everyone has some racism" is an argument along the lines of "all lives matter", like a terrifically corrupt police force saying in their defence "every police force has some bad apples" - not an excuse.

To say the USA was not built on a foundation of slavery and institutional, legalised racism is to show either ignorance of history or to wilfully try and revise it.

I've never heard of her before today and I certainly don't endorse violence other than for self preservation. On the other hand, it's a little odd that on every argument about racism and race, you seem to denounce the position held by the black people. I suppose that's just coincidence, or maybe black people are too stupid to have good arguments (even with some white DNA in them)?

Sadly its not stupid it is fact. I'm Spartacus!

I see you are more interested in the colour of her skin than the truth.

My ancestors were almost certainly raped by a 'white' man, there were Romans, Vikings , Norsemen-> Normans -> French it is likely at least one conqueror took liberties though with my looks they must have not been choosy.

Roman slaves were expected to be used by their master in any way the master wished.

https://www.heritagedaily.com/2018/0...%20prosecution.

Have a look at all the other slave owning countries (all countries) you will see similar rules.

Of course her African ancestors were almost certainly raped by black & Arab slave owners as well. Maybe her white ones were as well? The Barbary (Berber) Pirates were big on white slaving. Is that not important?

Every country allowed their rich to own other people as slaves, Africans were not the least bit special in that respect.

Slavery is as old as time. Until the British chose to abolish it at considerable cost the practice was legal in all countries. It is still rife in Africa and nearby countries.

Slavery in Africa/Egypt was happening in the 26th century BCE (yep 4.5 Millenia ago). Guess what colour many slaves were? Africans enslaved and sold their brothers to all comers. There is only one recorded incident of an African king (there were hundreds concurrently) trying to stop his people selling their fellows into slavery, this was not a moral objection sadly, he realised he had sold so many of his subjects he was unable to raise a decent army in case of an invasion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slaver...t%20and%20sold.

The Romans arrived in about 145 BCE and enthusiastically traded slaves as they did across the Roman empire. Maybe she should sue Italy?

From about the 7th century ACE Africans were happily selling millions of their Brothers to their brothers and the Arabs as slaves they have continued to do this till modern times.

https://www.globalslaveryindex.org/2...alysis/africa/

Will Saudi admit their complicity?

At this time many of the Europeans were living in mud huts and experimenting with Coracles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_...or%20to%20this.

The Europeans arrived in Africa in the 1400s (Spanish, Portuguese).

The British and by extension Americans arrived in the mid 1500s they also bought slaves (most were brought from their fellow Africans not captured by the British) and transported them far more effectively than the Arabs did so far fewer died 10% rather than , that wasn't moral stance slaves were valuable cargo fetching an order of magnitude more than the money that was paid for them.

Whilst there was racism and abuse in both the plantations and colonies slaves were valuable so many more survived than were killed by the Romans or Arabs.

Then Wilberforce and co rightfully decided slavery was morally wrong (why had no one since the birth of man noticed that before?) then convinced the UK parliament to fund the end of slavery and went to war against the slavers. The US followed suit and after a civil war where slavery was a significant issue it also released slaves.

So in 4.5 millennia the British / Americans were involved in the then totally legal trade of Slavery for about 300 years. They abolished and pursued it but whenever Slavery is mentioned the only nations harangued are these two? Seems some people are more upset we stopped this at the time legal and widespread trade?

The reason I assume is because asking the Arabs, Romans, Portuguese etc for reparations for slavery will fall on deaf ears, the US and UK may well pay. BLM does seem to have a problem with money.

The behaviour of Black lives matter suggests they don't want one equal and harmonious populace but want to hit out at white people for perceived wrongs.

I have witnessed racism in Blacks, Asians, Arabs , Thais and many other 'races'. It also is also seen between Europeans. However compared to 50+ years ago in the UK its not allowed out in professional life and is now punishable by law. However still racism is seen as a purely white man's offence not a universal one. I have sat down to dinner with two Indians who had difficulty being on the same table because they were from different areas in India and had the requisite difference in skin tone people seem to get excited about. I liked both of them and was sad they couldn't get along.

Now the abuse of stealing of property in America approved by authority definitely needs resolving. Remember the American Germans, Jews & Japanese also lost property in WWI/II its was not just a Black thing.

As I said all countries suffered racism & slavery lets deal with that and stop people trying to profit from an activity their race was neck deep in encouraging.

To be honest if the British had invented the combine harvester earlier and not needed slaves it seems likely slavery would still be legal now. Few other nations were interested in stopping it.

Lets stop slavery and overt racism worldwide then all just be nice to each other.

Stop stirring up dissension and hatred!

[NotAllThere]

...do you disagree with the statement “in a racist society, it is not enough to be non racist, we must be anti-racist”

I do. Scientifically, there's no such thing as race. It is a social construct. Anti-racism is in itself a racist term because it validates the idea that human race is split up into different races.

See my sig. : Abolish race, and you abolish racism. And somehow we'll just have to get along with straightforward xenophobia.

[SueEllen]

I prefer - In an unequal society we should strive for equality for all.

Society isn't equal.

We seem to be constantly measuring behaviour based on skin colour not behaviour, I see Dr Kings dream happen every day and think we may get there yet .

I see people frequently choosing to decide the cause of their problems are skin colour not poor behaviour of the Police or even themselves.

https://kr.usembassy.gov/martin-luth...ir%20character.


Though the hands are many colours and cultures in Sluff.

This is a US story not a UK one.

BTW you are aware what the Americans call communism is merely socialism in Europe and even the UK?