Reply to: ETIAS

[Zigenare]

Except the average age of the dead SOLDIERS was 27.

You are flogging a dead horse.

[vetran]

That's what I said. Natal mortality rates and children dying young through the lack of immunisations drive down the average life expectancy. If you get to puberty and stay fairly fit - which people were compared to us modern lardarses - you could easily live another 70 years, wars and illness excepted. It's the lack of things that kill you these days that gives us our life expectancy rates.

Except the average age of the dead SOLDIERS was 27.

[Mordac]

How was that an insult ... you are in the minority on here in so many ways. That's easy to see from what you post and the response you get. I'm sorry you don't like that fact, but that's your issue to deal with not mine.

And I totally concur, I'm hardly Oscar Wilde .... whatever that means. I'm more of a bald, hunkier, better looking, Daniel Craig.

In which case the ETTC make-up team did an amazing job of making you look a bit like Sean Dyche.

[malvolio]

Life expectancy? Have a look at this...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gdom-all-time/

From the website...

That's what I said. Natal mortality rates and children dying young through the lack of immunisations drive down the average life expectancy. If you get to puberty and stay fairly fit - which people were compared to us modern lardarses - you could easily live another 70 years, wars and illness excepted. It's the lack of things that kill you these days that gives us our life expectancy rates.

[Zigenare]

You need to look at life expectancy in terms of infant mortality. It was around 40% dying in their first year or two at the turn of the last century which has an effect on the average lifespan. Plenty of 80 year old in cemeteries even in the 1700s.

Life expectancy? Have a look at this...
https://www.statista.com/statistics/...gdom-all-time/

From the website...

Life expectancy in the United Kingdom was below 39 years in the year 1765, and over the course of the next two and a half centuries, it is expected to have increased by more than double, to 81.1 by the year 2020. Although life expectancy has generally increased throughout the UK's history, there were several times where the rate deviated from its previous trajectory. These changes were the result of smallpox epidemics in the late eighteenth and early nineteenth centuries, new sanitary and medical advancements throughout time (such as compulsory vaccination), and the First world War and Spanish Flu epidemic in the 1910s.

[malvolio]

You need to look at life expectancy in terms of infant mortality. It was around 40% dying in their first year or two at the turn of the last century which has an effect on the average lifespan. Plenty of 80 year old in cemeteries even in the 1700s.

[vetran]

I would say that 27 is a young age to die.
Certainly if you consider that the average life expectancy in 1920 was 56 for men (52 in 1910), then dying at half the average would count as young.
Life expectancy today is around 81 years, which makes 27 = 1/3 of your life. Definitely too young to die.

And if 27 isn't young, then is it middle age or old, since those tend to be the 3 categories that adults are put into.

Any Age is too young to die normally in war. But actually to get to 27 as an average means a lot of older people died when many 19 year olds were dying. Also the age groups changed as the war progressed initially they were professional soldiers and then there was a massive recruitment drive which led to teh perception that so many teenagers were dying.

Well if the life expectancy is 52 then its pretty much middle aged.

[Paralytic]

I find it wonderfully apt that Albanians do not require any paperwork to arrive in the UK via the English Channel, but they do for the rest of Europe.

Not sure they can reach much of the rest of Europe via the English Channel.

[Zigenare]

I find it wonderfully apt that Albanians do not require any paperwork to arrive in the UK via the English Channel, but they do for the rest of Europe.

Who needs an ETIAS travel authorisation

Interesting that they aren't sent home by the French.

[_V_]

I find it wonderfully apt that Albanians do not require any paperwork to arrive in the UK via the English Channel, but they do for the rest of Europe.

Who needs an ETIAS travel authorisation

[WTFH]

Average age of Death = 27 hardly 'young'.

I would say that 27 is a young age to die.
Certainly if you consider that the average life expectancy in 1920 was 56 for men (52 in 1910), then dying at half the average would count as young.
Life expectancy today is around 81 years, which makes 27 = 1/3 of your life. Definitely too young to die.

And if 27 isn't young, then is it middle age or old, since those tend to be the 3 categories that adults are put into.

[vetran]

Youth fought in 2 world wars.
You didn't.

Age is no guarantee of wisdom, as you are self evident.

I hope my "immature attitudes" don't change much - trying to work with, not against others, treating people fairly, not pre-judging them based on their nationality, religion, skin colour, ability, etc, but based on who they as an individual, and trying to learn from history, rather than re-write it to suit.

But if we must go down your route of "send them home", let's start with the Normans and the Saxons.

Actually the average age of soldiers at the start of WWI was 30+

https://www.tommy1418.com/wwi-facts-...es--myths.html

Average age would have been around 30+ in 1914 (original BEF), later, it would go as low as 18 (many lied about their age in order to enlist) & as high as 51 years of age (again, some lied).

Average age of Death = 27 hardly 'young'.

WW2 average age was 26.

But if we must go down your route of "send them home", let's start with the Normans and the Saxons.

If you look carefully most people recommending immigration control like the idea of a points based immigration policy just not a cross channel illegal river taxi. Also if you want immigration you have to build and fund the facilities & services that the immigrants will use.

Now the SNP would like a send em home policy for the Normans & Saxons.

[WTFH]

But you're quite happy to categorise a whole swathe of the UK as antique has-beens with no brains to think for themselves. OK...

Where did I say that?

I know (or perhaps knew is a better word these days) a lot of people who did and who did fight in WW1, WW2, Korea, Malaya and a few other places you won't have heard of.

I know (or perhaps knew) of a lot of people who fought as young men during various wars. I don't know of many people who were my current age or older when they first went into battle, but perhaps you'll prove me wrong. I'm sure you know of countless wars that I won't have heard of.

In the last 50 years of my life, I've lost too many friends in wars, but I'm just an immature youth who doesn't have a clue, in your wizened old mind.

[malvolio]

Youth fought in 2 world wars.
You didn't.

Age is no guarantee of wisdom, as you are self evident.

I hope my "immature attitudes" don't change much - trying to work with, not against others, treating people fairly, not pre-judging them based on their nationality, religion, skin colour, ability, etc, but based on who they as an individual, and trying to learn from history, rather than re-write it to suit.

But if we must go down your route of "send them home", let's start with the Normans and the Saxons.

But you're quite happy to categorise a whole swathe of the UK as antique has-beens with no brains to think for themselves. OK...

And where did I say "send them home". I have no problem with controlled immigration of people who will benefit the country. Albanian criminals, not so much.

But I will apologise for being born too late to qualify for National Service. However, I know (or perhaps knew is a better word these days) a lot of people who did and who did fight in WW1, WW2, Korea, Malaya and a few other places you won't have heard of.

[malvolio]

You'll still be here?

Don't see why not. I'm not that old.