Reply to: Should the Human Rights Act be repealed?

[malvolio]

Not right either. Party hacks and researchers take notice of your references for the political judgements. The Civil Service does the numbers.

[WTFH]

You forgot YouGov ...

You're correct. I left out Nadhim Zahawi's business. How stupid of me to forget it.

[SueEllen]

Cambridge Analytica, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail and other government advisors

You forgot YouGov and focus groups.

[WTFH]

A common fallacy. You need to go back a step.

Government policy is almost wholly driven by political considerations, but also by statistical analysis of trends, short and long term economic factors, and to a large extent, upcoming SWOT analyses that they use to inform their decision making.

Who do you think prepares them?

Cambridge Analytica, Daily Telegraph, Daily Mail and other government advisors

[malvolio]

The government makes policy and the civil service job is to carry out that policy.

If you don't like how a civil service department is carrying out a government policy then contact the minister(s) in charge of that department.

A common fallacy. You need to go back a step.

Government policy is almost wholly driven by political considerations, but also by statistical analysis of trends, short and long term economic factors, and to a large extent, upcoming SWOT analyses that they use to inform their decision making.

Who do you think prepares them?

[SueEllen]

I don't hate Europe. And I'm prone to typos.

What I do hate is being governed by an unelected bureaucracy of statists, and a domestic civil service that gold plates every little diktat they come up with.

The government makes policy and the civil service job is to carry out that policy.

If you don't like how a civil service department is carrying out a government policy then contact the minister(s) in charge of that department.

[NotAllThere]

What I do hate is being governed by an unelected bureaucracy of statists, and a domestic civil service that gold plates every little diktat they come up with.

The governing... well that's debateable. But the domestic civil service is bonkers.

[WTFH]

I don't hate Europe. And I'm prone to typos.

Once would be a typo. Multiple times shows how your brain is wired.

[malvolio]

It's not the EUCHR, it's the ECHR.
Why do you hate Europe so much?

I don't hate Europe. And I'm prone to typos.

What I do hate is being governed by an unelected bureaucracy of statists, and a domestic civil service that gold plates every little diktat they come up with.

AS for Human Rights, ,what I was trying to say - very badly - was that incorporating the EU's version of the laws to enact the concepts of the ECHR was never necessary, since we already met all its criteria. All that inclusion has managed to do is provide a dozen get out clauses for the unscrupulous to exploit.

[WTFH]

Funny that the UK had one of the world's best Human Rights records before somebody (naming no names) added the EUCHR into out legislation...

Undoing it will be difficult since a lot of new laws since then have been written to meet the EUCHR framework rather than the various pre-existing laws we used to use to the same effect. A good start would be to give the UK primacy on appeals, rather than the EU's Court of Human Rights; after all, we aren't in the EU.

It's not the EUCHR, it's the ECHR.
Why do you hate Europe so much?

[NotAllThere]

Funny that the UK had one of the world's best Human Rights records before somebody (naming no names) added the EUCHR into out legislation...
...after all, we aren't in the EU.

The EUCHR. That's a new on on me. The ECHR - the European Court of Human Rights, is not an EU institution. It's part of the Council of Europe, of which the UK is still a member.


Yellow = founder members
Blue = subsequent members
Pink = former members.

[SueEllen]

Funny that the UK had one of the world's best Human Rights records before somebody (naming no names) added the EUCHR into out legislation...

Undoing it will be difficult since a lot of new laws since then have been written to meet the EUCHR framework rather than the various pre-existing laws we used to use to the same effect. A good start would be to give the UK primacy on appeals, rather than the EU's Court of Human Rights; after all, we aren't in the EU.

You do know that the ECHR has nothing to do with the EU don't you?

And that there is actually another court that is linked to the EU?

As from your post is seems that you don't know the difference.

[DealorNoDeal]

Funny that the UK had one of the world's best Human Rights records before somebody (naming no names) added the EUCHR into out legislation...

Undoing it will be difficult since a lot of new laws since then have been written to meet the EUCHR framework rather than the various pre-existing laws we used to use to the same effect. A good start would be to give the UK primacy on appeals, rather than the EU's Court of Human Rights; after all, we aren't in the EU.

"Russia and the UK"

https://ukandeu.ac.uk/the-facts/what...urt-of-justice

[malvolio]

Funny that the UK had one of the world's best Human Rights records before somebody (naming no names) added the EUCHR into out legislation...

Undoing it will be difficult since a lot of new laws since then have been written to meet the EUCHR framework rather than the various pre-existing laws we used to use to the same effect. A good start would be to give the UK primacy on appeals, rather than the EU's Court of Human Rights; after all, we aren't in the EU.

[cojak]

All the publicity about the Human Rights Act is negative and usually badly interoperated by the media Abuses of the Act are few are far between. Conversely, anyone trying to enforce their human Right is an uphill and expensive struggle. Most people who have suffered abuse just give up at the first stage.

Dominic Raab has stopped the publication of the consultation paper on this, so Parliament has decided to survey the public directly.

I’m going to do my best to read it (idle at leat some of it, the form gives links) before answering the 3 or 4 questions.