Reply to: Its all getting rather silly now

[SueEllen]

No, its abuse as they're now coconuts and you as a white privileged person must have forced them.

But they could be bananas.

Either way the friendship is false as it is only NLUK's perception of the relationship.

[Gibbon]

Doesn't having some non white friends count either?

No, its abuse as they're now coconuts and you as a white privileged person must have forced them.

[OwlHoot]

“Four legs good, two legs bad.”..

To be fair, that's a sound principle .. when applied to a table!

[northernladuk]

Lots of the things in the spotlight these days are huge philanthropic works but because the instigator was once a slaver, or were friends with a slaver, or aren't recorded as being anti-slave, this counts for naught. So the hymn is surely on the danger list

I'm not sure if Newton wrote Amazing Grace before or after he turned abolitionist but for many this doesn't matter. Ironically, the message of forgiveness is exactly what is missing from the modern view... if you made money from slavery then renounced it and gave all the money away you are not a reformed character to be celebrated, you're just a racist slaver.

Doesn't having some non white friends count either?

[d000hg]

The point was he repented of his former life. Wokeness doesn't allow for this.

Lots of the things in the spotlight these days are huge philanthropic works but because the instigator was once a slaver, or were friends with a slaver, or aren't recorded as being anti-slave, this counts for naught. So the hymn is surely on the danger list

I'm not sure if Newton wrote Amazing Grace before or after he turned abolitionist but for many this doesn't matter. Ironically, the message of forgiveness is exactly what is missing from the modern view... if you made money from slavery then renounced it and gave all the money away you are not a reformed character to be celebrated, you're just a racist slaver.

[vetran]

The point was he repented of his former life. Wokeness doesn't allow for this.

“Four legs good, two legs bad.”..

[vetran]

Lets cancel sugar, water wheels and the internet!

[NotAllThere]

I'm confidently expecting we'll see calls to have that stricken off the church/public roster soon. And somewhat confident they'll win. It will become some sort of protest hymn for the American Evangelical Right.

The point was he repented of his former life. Wokeness doesn't allow for this.

[vetran]

I refuse to believe this is true and GB news have let the work experience kid put together a satire piece. Or its a ploy to gain some media attention.

call it an education!

[d000hg]

(But the whole links-to-slavery stuff, while serious in intent, has become a bit silly. The author of Amazing Grace was a slave trader).

I'm confidently expecting we'll see calls to have that stricken off the church/public roster soon. And somewhat confident they'll win. It will become some sort of protest hymn for the American Evangelical Right.

[eek]

Posted here in the Telegraph ‘Cancelled’, the 1804 train with supposed links to slavery (telegraph.co.uk)

And the argument doesn't make much sense - this was machinery used on plantations to aid production and reduce the amount of work required to refine sugar - and it was used to take working conditions from utterly inhumane to just beyond crap...

[NotAllThere]

Its all getting rather silly now

No, it's been very silly for a while. Now we're having to resort to utterly ludicrous.

Because if you read the article in the Telegraph you'll see that NMW is reviewing it's entire collection, including that locomotive. Reviewing includes "Hey, that has no links and the inventor has no links to the slave trade. Phew, at least we'll have one thing to exhibit!".

(But the whole links-to-slavery stuff, while serious in intent, has become a bit silly. The author of Amazing Grace was a slave trader).

[SueEllen]

vetran you better not visit any National Trust properties or go on a Jane Austen tour/event....

[woohoo]

I refuse to believe this is true and GB news have let the work experience kid put together a satire piece. Or its a ploy to gain some media attention.

[xoggoth]

*** ludicrous. Back then, having not even the slightest connection to slavery would be like a business a today having no presence, even third party, on the internet. Even ordinary farmers selling to France would have, as some major shipping companies were connected to the slave trade.

Said it before, but we should focus on real intentional racism today. This constant digging out of obscure connections that nobody had ever heard of is damaging to that intent because people just get fed up with it.