Reply to: The End Game

[GigiBronz]

So you want other nations to send their armed forces to separate R/U? Putin has basically said anyone who does that will get nuked and that's not a bluff anyone is keen on calling.

neah, I think there can be more creative ways to de-escalate the situation but with current crumbling economy and other things war is the perfect scapegoat.
so the west and US might actually pursue it.

Alternative is people realising the tyrants that is ruling them and refusing to engage in work etc. - billionaires are not planning to give up their status or start going to work. You can be sure of that.

[d000hg]

I personally see no effort to de-escalate the situation by NATO.
if two people start a fight you don’t give one knuckles and say he is the good guy. You jump between them even if you risk a punch.

So you want other nations to send their armed forces to separate R/U? Putin has basically said anyone who does that will get nuked and that's not a bluff anyone is keen on calling.

[WTFH]

(not just those 32 countries)

Had to re-read that, I thought you said 32 counties. We don't need another war there.

[SueEllen]

Problem is the weather. Chernobyl showed that.

[GigiBronz]

I personally see no effort to de-escalate the situation by NATO.
if two people start a fight you don’t give one knuckles and say he is the good guy. You jump between them even if you risk a punch.

also how mainstream media are beating the war drums…

and othe reasons in the background that i do think it is healthy to get into…

nuclear war and at least a city being whipped up by nukes is a likely scenario.

they couldn’t have made this tulip better:

[Fraidycat]

Against whom? Take your time thinking it through...

What is there to think about?
The war would be between Nato members and Russia (and Belarus).
And if it goes thermo nuclear, then a nuclear winter would follow killing billions all around the entire world (not just those 32 countries)

https://weather.com/en-IN/india/news...-kill-billions

[NotAllThere]

WW3

Against whom? Take your time thinking it through...

[Fraidycat]

I think we need to get AtW's thoughts on this debacle, if anyone knows what bed he is currently hiding under.

I think he would go with Option 3, Ukraine wins!

[shaunbhoy]

I think we need to get AtW's thoughts on this debacle, if anyone knows what bed he is currently hiding under.

[_V_]

Putin wants an empire, he thinks he's the reincarnation of "Peter the Great". Russia joining NATO wouldn't quench his lust for power and it would seriously piss off China.

When is Prussia going to regain the lands of Pomerania? that's what is keeping me up at night now.

[GJABS]

.. and it would seriously piss off China.

Send China an invite too!

[OwlHoot]

Putin wants an empire, he thinks he's the reincarnation of "Peter the Great". Russia joining NATO wouldn't quench his lust for power and it would seriously piss off China.

OTOH, if it came to a choice of which to have on your side, I know which I'd choose, and it wouldn't be China!

Luckily, China's foreign policy skills are almost as cack-handed as the Yanks, which is saying something, and they'll end up rubbing everyone up the wrong way and shooting themselves in the foot before too long!

[Zigenare]

Indeed.

How about this for an idea, not 100% tongue in cheek: Could Russia join NATO?

We could spin it to them with the same reasoning that remainers say the UK should remain in the EU - that we can reform it (to our benefit). That Russia could reform NATO to become a form of inclusive alliance with a lesser focus on defence. Oh I don't know what I'm talking about lol.

Putin wants an empire, he thinks he's the reincarnation of "Peter the Great". Russia joining NATO wouldn't quench his lust for power and it would seriously piss off China.

[OwlHoot]

Indeed.

How about this for an idea, not 100% tongue in cheek: Could Russia join NATO?

We could spin it to them with the same reasoning that remainers say the UK should remain in the EU - that we can reform it (to our benefit). That Russia could reform NATO to become a form of inclusive alliance with a lesser focus on defence. Oh I don't know what I'm talking about lol.

Believe it or not, the idea of Russia joining NATO has been discussed occasionally in the past: Russia–NATO relations

[d000hg]

Just because that's a possibility it shouldn't prevent us from doing what is right! Putin needs to be stopped and that will take more than Ukraine alone.

A full worldwide nuclear war would be worse than any amount shenanigans Putin might pursue. Glad I don't have to make a decision like this.