Reply to: Foot In Mouth Disease

[NotAllThere]

Good point some people might be confused.

You think?

Anyone might believe that you'd deliberately been ambiguous in order to troll. But I think you've revealed your true colours well enough. And since you won't stop digging, I'll take your shovel away.

Thread locked.

[vetran]

Your unfortunatly ambiguous use of the phrase "less attractive" (using the word proposition rather than target) caused a trigger.

Good point some people might be confused.

As I keep saying its about reducing risk, anything sensible we can do to manage that is a good thing.

[Paralytic]

I never said that it was their fault you are making that up.

I just said that would make her a less attractive target.

I am sure many women and men have been discounted as a target because they were on their phones.

Having friends (not only men that only the sort of thing religious nuts insist on) with you when you walk in risky situations makes sense.

Your unfortunatly ambiguous use of the phrase "less attractive" (using the word proposition rather than target) caused a trigger.

[vetran]

...instead tell the women it is their fault for not being on the phone or having men walk them everywhere.

I never said that it was their fault you are making that up.

I just said that would make her a less attractive target.

I am sure many women and men have been discounted as a target because they were on their phones.

Having friends (not only men that only the sort of thing religious nuts insist on) with you when you walk in risky situations makes sense.

[vetran]

Now you're getting there.
Cancel links to slavery at National Trust buildings, cancel the metric system, cancel freedom of movement, cancel respect for others, cancel responsibility for evil people who commit crimes, unless they can be associated with those you detest, cancel support for women and punishment for men, instead tell the women it is their fault.

Attack the person not the problem the cancel way.

[vetran]

And there it is folks.

there what is? Oh you think that is blaming OK have it your way with your Misandry.

If you are in a skid on ice and you haven't had any anti skid training because it wasn't taught in your lessons is it your fault? If we have more skids crashes does it make sense to provide anti skid training?

Couzens was going to do this as he was escalating. He was just looking for an easy target.

Sarah may have avoided being an easy target with luck and education. It was never her fault that is obvious to any intelligent person.

[WTFH]

Indeed cancel culture stops people acting on anything controversial.

Now you're getting there.
Cancel links to slavery at National Trust buildings,
Cancel the metric system,
Cancel freedom of movement,
Cancel respect for others,
Cancel personal responsibility for evil people who commit crimes - unless they can be associated with those you detest,
Cancel support for women and punishment for men,

...instead tell the women it is their fault for not being on the phone or having men walk them everywhere.

[vetran]

It's easier to blame than to act.

Indeed cancel culture stops people acting on anything controversial.

No platform anyone who questions things and nothing gets done so you can go on blaming people like the Police - easy see.

[SueEllen]

Yeah nobody watches the Bill, police documentaries etc.

The BBC / sky / itv / wail have never discussed the covid fines situation or the fact they normally result in a fixed penalty not arrest. Just like dog fouling and many minor crimes.

etc.


No I am potential victim educating. This tragedy could create some good if we use it as a springboard.

If as above the Police publish guidelines then potential victims can take action such as demanding backup or talking to control.

Again the criminal was Couzens he had decided to attack an murder a young woman Sarah was convenient as he believed there was a low risk of getting caught. The victim has no responsibility for the crime just as many ill people are not responsible for illness but eating properly and exercise make sense.

but Sarah might have twigged and got away if she had seen the red flags or made herself a less attractive proposition by being escorted or on the phone.

Its like burglar alarms have one fitted and the burglar robs your neighbours house instead.

And there it is folks.

[vetran]

You do realise that lots of people haven't had anything at all to do with the police or criminal justice system? Or know anyone who works in it?

So you are victim blaming.

Yeah nobody watches the Bill, police documentaries etc.

The BBC / sky / itv / wail have never discussed the covid fines situation or the fact they normally result in a fixed penalty not arrest. Just like dog fouling and many minor crimes.

etc.


No I am potential victim educating. This tragedy could create some good if we use it as a springboard.

If as above the Police publish guidelines then potential victims can take action such as demanding backup or talking to control.

Again the criminal was Couzens he had decided to attack an murder a young woman Sarah was convenient as he believed there was a low risk of getting caught. The victim has no responsibility for the crime just as many ill people are not responsible for illness but eating properly and exercise make sense.

but Sarah might have twigged and got away if she had seen the red flags or made herself a less attractive proposition by being escorted or on the phone.

Its like burglar alarms have one fitted and the burglar robs your neighbours house instead.

[WTFH]

You do realise that lots of people haven't had anything at all to do with the police or criminal justice system? Or know anyone who works in it?

So you are victim blaming.

It's easier to blame than to act.

[SueEllen]

Well if the Police had stopped Couzens before he escalated then he wouldn't have been able to do this.

But on the basis of a little bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing answer these:

Blah blah

You do realise that lots of people haven't had anything at all to do with the police or criminal justice system? Or know anyone who works in it?

So you are victim blaming.

[vetran]

oh look sack the Sussex Police for telling people what to do in such a case. They should be ashamed!


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...nage-girl.html

Sussex Police have also issued guidance on what people can do if approached by a lone person claiming to be a police officer.

A spokesperson said: 'Officers can use their police radio on loudspeaker to talk to the operator in the police control room.

They added: 'The operator can confirm the identity of the officer, that they are on duty and carrying out legitimate policing business.

'You can also ask a passer-by to observe.'

[vetran]

I'll confess to being a little facetious, but I don't really see how else it can be interpreted.

Woman gets "arrested" by a warranted Police officer (And I think this is key - he wasn't a "fake" police officer or anything like that) and promptly raped and murdered. And then this guy turns around and says women need to be more "streetwise" about arrests. I honestly can't fathom what he was trying to say or what he felt Sarah Everard could or should have done differently.

see below then.

I agree we should have protocol for single officers dealing with opposite sex / sexuality. We should have a way of scared suspects verifying an officers identity and we should explain how the procedures work so you can identify fake or dodgy officers.

Clarity is what we need.

[vetran]

This man, being a bloody PCC, specifically said women need to be more "streetwise" when it comes to being arrested by Police Officers. Can you honestly not grasp why that's problematic, and why he's been absolutely trounced for it? He has, quite literally, blamed Everad for "allowing" herself to be arrested.



See, no, that's a lie isn't it Vetran. We aren't talking about "people" - we are talking, specifically, about warranted Police officers abusing their powers of arrest. Pray tell, what are YOU going to do if wrongly arrested? You gonna take that fight? You gonna risk a charge of assaulting an officer, or resisting arrest? Or, like most normal people, are you gonna think "This'll get sorted down the station" and not "They're going to murder me".

Your inability to process what was said, and why it's problematic would astound me if it weren't for the fact you've continually shown yourself up to be something of a special case in these matters. You're desperate urge to be "anti-woke" or quite whatever issue you have is clouding your judgement and ability to see the facts.

Oh, and I forgot to respond to your earlier question - no, I'm not anti Police. I'm far further from that than you may imagine..

Well if the Police had stopped Couzens before he escalated then he wouldn't have been able to do this.

But on the basis of a little bit of knowledge being a dangerous thing answer these:

Oddly when I have been stopped by the Police the first thing they do is radio in to control to explain what they are doing so control can know if they need to reschedule. (its the same on the documentaries) One assumes Couzens didn't do that? red flag 1.

Why would a single plain clothes officer be arresting people for COVID offences the chances of an angry scene are far too high red flag 2

Why would a single male police officer arrest and restrain a female without calling for backup or moving to a public place the chance of being accused of inappropriate conduct is too high. red flag 3

Why would he arrest a female allegedly for Covid when these are normally dealt with by a fixed penalty unless the suspect is uncooperative red flag 4

I would expect most male police officers would walk her home and give her a polite warning about personal safety and Codvid. Especially in light of their abysmal failings to justify the fixed penalty Covid warnings they issued last year.

So if she had seen any of those red flags, then demand that he get backup or call control and he refused, her kicking him in the nuts and running off screaming would probably be supported by most courts.

I'm not anti woke I'm anti stupidity we need to fix this and anyone being pilloried for reaching for a solution is not helpful.

Telling people to be careful is not a crime!