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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    If you want a better service Tory voters need stop being so stingy. The NHS is the most efficient health service in the world.

    Which countries have the best healthcare systems?

    Sure it could be better, then it needs more money. Whilst Nurses work incredibly hard, Tory voters enjoy sitting in their armchairs and being "outraged" at NHS staff "not doing their jobs". The reason Tory voters constantly throw mud at the NHS is because healthcare staff tend to be Labour voters.

    Perhaps some of these "armchair" healthcare specialists should volunteer for one day a week to "change the bedpans".
    OK so a US organisation says the NHS is the best in the world. That's nice maybe that is because we have universal healthare?

    Strange we aren't in the top 10 for efficiency(Bloomberg) or Best in Europe (EHCI).


    Or we could just read world expert opinions from people who tend to be objective, no armchair required. As always is the issue are not with the troops but the generals or battleplan. We for instance are 10% behind on cancer survival rates. It is not funding or nurse effort causing that. As always you have to look at the underlying causes. If we carry on saying we can't change the NHS it will just get bigger and more unwieldy.

    Cancer survival rates | The Nuffield Trust

    International trends in five-year cervical cancer survival show more variation between countries over time than for five-year breast cancer survival. While survival has been improving in the UK, the country is still one of the worst performers compared to other OECD countries, with a five-year survival of only 63.8% in 2010-2014. This is despite relatively high cervical cancer screening coverage. In comparison, survival in Denmark in the same time period was 69.5% while survival in Japan reached 71.4%.

    While the five-year colon cancer survival rate in the UK has been increasing over time, in 2010-2014 survival reached only 60%. This is the lowest five-year survival rate out of the 18 OECD countries that we included. Over the same time period in Australia it was as high as 70.6%, and Belgium reached a five-year colon cancer survival rate of 67.9%.

    But lets try the world renowned experts.


    Measuring up: how does the UK compare internationally on cancer survival? - Cancer Research UK - Science blog

    But when looking at survival as a whole, it’s useful to consider where we started. In 1995, the UK had some of the lowest survival estimates of the seven countries studied. This means that even though we have made improvements in certain cancers, we’re starting from a lower baseline. Which makes it that much harder for us to catch up with the countries who have higher survival.And it’s where comparing our progress to other countries can help.
    What can we learn from other countries?

    Denmark was in a similar place to the UK with their survival in 1995. But as Jesper Fisker, chief executive officer of the Danish Cancer Society, told us “There’s been great progress in Danish cancer survival – which is the result of massive efforts and investments in the cancer field over the past 20 years”.
    They’ve also made major strides towards centralising their cancer services, meaning cancer patients are treated in fewer, more specialised centres, with the best clinicians for their cancer type.
    And it’s paid off – Denmark has seen real improvements in cancer survival – such as increasing their 1-year survival of lung cancer from 27.5% to 46.2% (from 1995-1999 to 2010-2014). The UK has made similar efforts to improve cancer services, with some success, but much more needs to be done.
    Its not just funding it is organisation and will.

    Some of my experiences in hospital if they had happened in private industry people would be fired or jailed.

    If Boris or Sir Keir fancy doing something useful lets set a target to beat all the OECD 18's survival rates by the next election!

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by SueEllen View Post
    You're making the mistake that this is a debate about social issues in a modern society. How can I express what this is about:

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  • SueEllen
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    It's actually interesting reading the same story in other news outlets -

    Sky News - 'Chestfeeding': Hospital trust becomes first in UK to adopt gender inclusive language for perinatal services | UK News | Sky News

    BBC News - Brighton NHS Trust introduces new trans-friendly terms - BBC News

    And the Trusts Policy document on it - https://www.bsuh.nhs.uk/maternity/wp...vices-BSUH.pdf

    On page 13/14 -
    Please note that these language changes do not apply when discussing or caring for individuals in a one-on-one capacity where language and documentation should reflect the gender identity of the individual. When caring for cis women it is good practice to use terminology that is meaningful and appropriate to the individual; this may include terms such as woman, mother or breastfeeding.

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    FTFY. From the perspective that NHS should be merged with HMRC and get 100% of our taxes, it's underfunded.
    If you want a better service Tory voters need stop being so stingy. The NHS is the most efficient health service in the world.

    Which countries have the best healthcare systems?

    Sure it could be better, then it needs more money. Whilst Nurses work incredibly hard, Tory voters enjoy sitting in their armchairs and being "outraged" at NHS staff "not doing their jobs". The reason Tory voters constantly throw mud at the NHS is because healthcare staff tend to be Labour voters.

    Perhaps some of these "armchair" healthcare specialists should volunteer for one day a week to "change the bedpans".
    Last edited by BlasterBates; 11 February 2021, 11:26.

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  • Lance
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    Originally posted by Paddy View Post
    The largest woman's clitoris is bigger than the man's smallest penis. Do you want pictures?
    YES...... Of a massive clit not a micro-dick and baby-balls.

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  • Paddy
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Look, according to transactivist ideology, some women have penises. So by the same ideology, some men have breasts. What the zarking fardwarks do these numbskull activists want? Or is iit one rule for people who are ex-men, and another for those who are ex-women. You know, the manifestation of the not terribly subtle misogyny among transactivists. Especially those who are chicks with dicks.
    The largest woman's clitoris is bigger than the man's smallest penis. Do you want pictures?

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    From a right-minded perspective it is.
    FTFY. From the perspective that NHS should be merged with HMRC and get 100% of our taxes, it's underfunded.

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  • SueEllen
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Misandrists surely?
    No they are not as they are biologically male.

    Plus any woman would be ok having and using the term breasts.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by NotAllThere View Post
    Look, according to transactivist ideology, some women have penises. So by the same ideology, some men have breasts. What the zarking fardwarks do these numbskull activists want? Or is iit one rule for people who are ex-men, and another for those who are ex-women. You know, the manifestation of the not terribly subtle misogyny among transactivists. Especially those who are chicks with dicks.
    Misandrists surely?

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    So do Ireland, Luxemburg and Poland

    Healthcare expenditure statistics - Statistics Explained

    We spend more than Finland and Iceland do they have bankrupt health services?
    No, they have a higher GDP per capita, so actually they do spend more on their health services.

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  • NotAllThere
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    Look, according to transactivist ideology, some women have penises. So by the same ideology, some men have breasts. What the zarking fardwarks do these numbskull activists want? Or is iit one rule for people who are ex-men, and another for those who are ex-women. You know, the manifestation of the not terribly subtle misogyny among transactivists. Especially those who are chicks with dicks.

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  • vetran
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    From a Tory perspective it is.

    As vetran points out Greece spends less.

    Greek health system on the verge of collapse

    So do Ireland, Luxemburg and Poland

    Healthcare expenditure statistics - Statistics Explained

    We spend more than Finland and Iceland do they have bankrupt health services?

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by d000hg View Post
    It is plenty well funded.
    From a Tory perspective it is.

    As vetran points out Greece spends less.

    Greek health system on the verge of collapse

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  • BlasterBates
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    Originally posted by vetran View Post
    Are you saying Greece & Estonia's health services are funded better than ours?


    Greece Health expenditure as a share of GDP, 1960-2020 - knoema.com
    Greece 8.0

    Estonia Health expenditure as a share of GDP, 1960-2020 - knoema.com
    Estonia 6.7

    Japan Health expenditure as a share of GDP, 1960-2020 - knoema.com.

    Japan 10.9

    United Kingdom Health expenditure as a share of GDP, 1960-2020 - knoema.com

    UK 9.6

    If you notice mothers are twice as likely to die in child birth compared to Greece. 1.5 times more likely to die than Japan.

    The NHS is great but it needs fixing, more funding isn't a panacea.


    Greece's public health meltdown

    Of course they have great post-maternity as you pointed out, that's because ageing Tory voters hog the NHS at the expense of younger patients.

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  • d000hg
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    Originally posted by BlasterBates View Post
    It isn't surprising given the unwillingness of Tory voters to fund it adequately.
    It is plenty well funded.

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